s-gunner

Hi Guys,

I currently have a 05 Honda Civic Type-r, I have had the car for just over a year now I am currently finding myself to want more power.

I have been looking at a 2005 2.0 WRX-STi Type UK with the Prodrive Performance Pack and Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive.

What will be the key things I should be looking for on this car, is there anything that I should be looking out for?

How much should I be looking to pay for a car of this spec? the one that I am looking at has 39,000 miles on the clock and a years warranty for £13,490.

Also any help on insurers as well would be helpful. I am only 22 with 4 years NCB. How much do you guys pay with a similar scenario and also who with.

Sorry for all of the questions guys just wanna get as much knowledge behind me before seriously commiting my time to this.

Cheers,

Simon

XR-Wayne

Thing to look out for is High Tax now £410 if I remember correct, Insurance will be more GRP 18-19, Not sure about services and repairs on Civic, but you need a deep wallet for a impreza, and then theres the big one, Fuel Prices!

Great cars tho, You wont be dissapointed.

Im 23 with 4 Years No claims and I pay £890 when I renewd

Wayne

stilover

Tax on the 2005 STI is £210. Until 2010 when it'll change to £400. That's if the Government don't backdown which they very well might.

Insurance for a 22 years old? You're talking over £1000 easily. Probably double that depending on where you live. I'm 34 and pay approx £700 with 10+ year NCB.

The things to look out for is try to find one that has the Prodrive spring kit and 18" wheels. Handles better & look better too.

I'm debating whether or not to sell mine. Been in touch with someone on here regarding a possible sale. After washing it this weekend & having a lovely drive out yesterday, I'm debating if it's such a good idea or not.

Try for a Blue one. They're faster.

PantsUK

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Insurance is grp20

tax is 210 this year
300 next year
and 455 in 2005

insurance will be ...... A BLOODY LOT !!!

I'd look out for a good service history (doesn't have to be main dealer but complete and regular) any daft mods.

You need to really haggle the price as they lose value on a daily basis ... scoob ownership is no investment but who cares when you're having so much fun!

Im 29 my insurance is 880

stilover

Forgot to say. Insurance. Try the specialists like A-Plan. Most insurance comnpanies won't touch drivers less than 25 years old.

Take account of the mpg figure you're likely to get. Average driving will see you getting 22mpg. Long motorway journeys taken steady will see you get 24-27mpg. Have fun in it? Your into the teens.

Blueblaster

I went from CTR to MY05 STI. You say you are looking for more power. Do you mean you want to travel faster relative to other cars or do you want to 'feel' like you are going faster. The STI only has 80bhp more than the CTR. It is heavier and has tons more traction. It does not 'feel' that much faster although it definitely is. After the involvement of the VTEC engine and world class gearbox I found the STI to be amazingly boring. Why did I buy it? Because I got a deal that I couldn't turn down and had a 15 year itch that had to be scratched.

One last thing. Fuel economy. I hammered by CTR for 50,000 miles and it always returned 30mpg or better. Unless you do a lot of very long motorway journeys you're looking at 20mpg in the STI. Think hard about that because putting in £50 every 220 miles really pi$$ed me off. Putting in £65 every 220 miles at today's prices would drive me bananas. All other running costs are higher too.

Think very, VERY hard about this purchase.

dhforever

Pish. This is SCOOBYNET! You dont drive a Scooby for the MPG, if your worried about road tax, insurance, running costs and the like its not the car for you! CTR's are great cars but Subarus are awesome, even the noise alone was enough for me to sell my EVO and buy a Scoob!

s-gunner

I put around £50 in a week and get about 240miles in return but I do alot of motorway miles. I am looking at the 305bhp prodrive version.

I have always wanted a CTR and have one but in the year I have owned it it has been off the road for atleast 4months with issues. It needed a complete new front end setup inc.. steering rack, Suspension, Wishbones, Shocks, Top Mounts, Drive Shats etc...

@ XR-Wayne - who are you insured with mate?

Blueblaster

You obviously had a badly looked after example. Mine didn't miss a beat.

Just do yourself one favour - ask current owners of the specific model you are looking at how much they spend on petrol, tax, insurance, servicing, tyres, brakes and replacement suspension (they fail regularly). Then be totally honest with yourself wrt to real costs involved. You might love the car and feel totally different to me, but glossing over the fact that these cars are very expensive to own and virtually impossible to resell in the current climate will only lead to misery.

Please don't give me the opportunity to say "I told you so".

dhforever

Are you a manic depressive? This is a website for subaru enthusiasts which you seem not to be so take all this frankly negative/boring attitude somewhere else!

Insurance try A-plan or call Gary Moulsen at Keith Michaels (est 1000ish)
Servicing is essential so try subaru specialists as recommended by fellow scoobynetters as 9/10 times better service and price than dealers. Take a car for a test drive and am sure you will love it!

Ps could try buying blueblasters car cos he seems to want to sit in a dark room alone posting nonsense on the internet lol

PantsUK

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Blueblaster you really are a cheerfull soul aren't you !!! lol

of course things can go wrong but love and cherish it (as most do) and with regular servicing it'll treat you well. Just check out Parkers or similar for reliability ratings... you'll be suprised how well they are ranked ... but then afterall they are old agricultural vehicles .... PROPER JOB !!!

to quote parkers
As good as you'd expect from a car designed to compete in some of the toughest rallies around. Back in the real world, owners report few problems - even minor niggles. There's no reason to believe this model will be any different. The robust - and proven - technology is carried over from the previous car.
4.5 Stars ....

(before the troll emerges I'm not saying Parkers is an oracle of all things automotive but it is a useful guide)

(ps Just read your last 10 or so comments Blueblaster ... I think you need help mate clearly you are depressed and are suffering performance envy .... I really hope you are enjoying your Seicento Sporting Arbath ..your bad spellling not mine ... I'll be happy to wave as I passing gulping in air p1ssing out fuel killing trees and making myself poor all while grinning from ear to ear)

Knighty99

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What about a nice classic type r
He's now after around £7500 for it
Subaru : STI Type R
Just thought i'd throw that in the mixer

I'm 25 insured with A-plan for 660 fully comp there very very good, i was gettin quotes for 2k plus when they came back 2 me with a quote for 660 i nearly passed out lol

XR-Wayne

Simon I'm with Aplan mate. I nearly passed out when I got that price too, I was getting stupid quotes.

mercedeswrx

hi

Well i was all set to buy a nissan skyline R32 GTR , been looking for ages , then i saw my bugeye and had to have it. it was the second choice. what i paid for it tho was quite cheap , considering the age .

Make sure it has a FSH, iv had mine for 4 weeks and had to service it , and that was not cheap , has for fuel i'm not bothered because its not my daily runner. its Just a toy .

Can any one advise me on the best manifold to get thats not going to break the bank .

Blueblaster

I make no apology for that bad spelling. Apart from some Lambos it must have the most difficult to spell name in the universe.

However, I also make no apology for explaining the downsides to Imprezas. What is the point of this website if not to provoke debate? Fact is a huge number of Impreza owners are selling up because of the running costs and another huge number would like to sell up but can't afford to because the values have fallen through the floor.

This chap is brand new to the marque and is looking to buy the model that is probably the most expensive to run and also the most difficult to sell on later. He needs to know that they cost a shed load to run so he can go into ownership with his eyes wide open. If he is like a lot of Scoobynetters who can't afford the car, but still insist on pouring cash into it at the expense of all else then he won't be interested in what I have to say. But if he is a mature, responsible adult who tries to strike a balance between sound finances and having fun then he might decide that the amount of money involved in Impreza ownership is not worth it.

I get up everyone's noses because I'm right. You just don't want to hear it.

dhforever

WTF the point of this website is to discuss our passion of the Subaru marque. You are a depressing the hell out of me and a few other people on here in other posts as well. Owning a Subaru is no that expensive (ok tax is up a couple of hundred and petrol is gone up) servicing is no more than a bmw and dont forget these are 25K upwards cars from brand new. I can easily afford to run my scoob and am 24!? What did you expect? A car that can keep up with super cars that costs as much as a Fiesta diesel to run!? Get real and stop posting your nonsense!!!

PantsUK

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and I actually dont think you're right but really cant be bothered to argue it out with you so lets leave it at differing opinions.

and Abarth is pretty easy to spell

Blueblaster

Yes, but 'Seicento' is a total nightmare and takes all my brainpower - there's none left for 'Abarth' .

JKay

Apart from servicing and fuel, what else contributes to the sky high running costs mentioned?

Blueblaster

Now why would I be depressing the hell out of you if you had bought your Subaru after carefully assessing all the financial implications? If you can 'really' afford it then you have nothing to worry about. The reason I annoy some people is because they don't like hearing the truth.

This chap said he gets 220 miles out of £50 of petrol. I reckon at today's prices £50 is a full tank in a CTR. That is SHOCKING mpg for that car. He must drive it seriously hard. To give you a reference point. A few years ago I emptied an entire tank of fuel on the Autobahn during about 90 minutes of sustained 140mph cruising. I got just over 200 miles from that tank even with the engine sat at 7000rpm for the entire time. If he drives an STI in the same way he's looking at 15mpg at best. So his fuel bill will double, his road tax will double, his insurance will probably double (Grp 17 vs 20) and from my experience servicing and parts will double. And we're not talking about doubling a few quid either. This is doubling a few thousand Pounds while in all liklihood taking on higher finance payments. And it's not as if he can buy one and if the numbers start to look hideous decide to cut his losses and sell up because no one wants them.

There are people on this site who are very handy with a set of spanners. Others use their car as a weekend toy or are sufficiently wealthy and have few enough commitments to not have to worry about the money. But for the vast majority who earn an average of between £30k and £40k (see recent poll) the cost of a newage STI is simply too much.

Let me take a wild stab in the dark. You said you're 24. I don't know which Impreza you have, but I'd be willing to bet you still live at home with mum and dad or are renting somewhere very modest. If you left school at 18 then you'll have done extremely well to be earning serious money at your age and if you went to university then you'll have a lot of debt and might have just moved up a tier on two on a graduate training scheme. Whatever combination of the above applies to you I'm willing to get right up your nose by saying you haven't a clue about real world costs. I'll never know but I bet you don't have a pension or put any money aside for LONG TERM savings. These things are so important to get sorted early on, but so many people on this forum huddle together in groups and assure one another that "living for the moment" is all that matters and solid finances are boring and anyone who suggests otherwise should p1ss off and stop spoiling the fun.

The OP asked for opinions. I gave him mine. Would you prefer to limit all posts to those that are 100% pro-Impreza?

PantsUK

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have you actually written anything PRO-impreza though in the last 20 odd posts .... NO is the actual answer. You're on here trolling and if you get some sort of kick out of it good luck to you.

Just because you believe it to be true doesn't make it so... and at 24 I could have afforded a newage-didn't live at home-did have a pension and never went to uni and in fact left school at 16 and grafted. At 24 other than the above you don't have historical debt (unless its uni based) don't have a wife and kids to support (usually) and frankly your young SO FKIN ENJOY IT... I get a feeling you didn't blueblaster and you are now bitter about it or you did and feel bitter either way there's a common theme.

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"These things are so important to get sorted early on, but so many people on this forum huddle together in groups and assure one another that "living for the moment" is all that matters and solid finances are boring and anyone who suggests otherwise should p1ss off and stop spoiling the fun."

Again this is your opinion please stop telling everyone about your facts which are in fact not the case at all but opinions!

At 24 you have plenty of time to put money aside and still live comfortably when you retire how you spend that money and what you invest in is what's important.

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dhforever

Ok Blueblaster I work in the oil industry earn 60k own my home have an awesome pension own two rented properties own a newage wrx modded to the heavens own a shogun other half has two horses a stable. And i can easily afford it lol. Happy days eh?

My final point if the o.p. can afford it go for it you wont be disappointed!

Blueblaster

And that makes you about as different from the vast majority of Scoobynetters as it is possible to be. It's easy for you to blaise about the numbers, but it also extremely unfair. You don't know what this other chap earns and it is selfish of you to assume he has anything like your package.

PantsUK, you're no better. You know full well you are another exception to the rule. Just look at the poll on incomes I started a month or so ago. Just because you're alright, Jack, doesn't mean that other people should not be forewarned before piling headlong into a mountain of debt at the start of an economic downturn that promises to be the worst for a long time.

You also seem to be preoccupied with my happiness. For your information I reckon you could count on one hand the number of people on this site who crammed more into their 20s than me. I have a job most people would kill for, tons of time off, a lovely house in a great part of the country, a wonderful fiance and am in excellent health (touching wood at all times).

And finally, if you reckon that making plans for old age early on in your life is not vitally important then that is fine. But to come on this site and state otherwise is bloody irresponsible. I'm not trolling, I'm telling the truth. We're looking at a period of low growth, high inflation, rising unemployment, negative equity, home repossessions and record levels of personal debt. The sooner a lot of people wake up and realise they have to live with in their means the better it will be for everybody.

PantsUK

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I don't think I mentioned my financial situation at any point I just said I could have afforded it at his age due to minimal commitments.

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I'm not feeding you any more .... back to the bridge with you.