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02 June 2008, 11:13 AM
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I wouldn't get too excited. He finished 2nd, yes, but by default really.
The cars itself wasn't quick enough to finish 2nd in a straight fight. Both Fords lost time through punchures. Can't remember what happened to Loebs team mate, but he was running in 2nd before hitting trouble.
On that basis, Petter would have finished 5th at best.
Petter lost a whole 30 seconds to Loeb in the first few stages on day 3. Loeb then backed off to finish the Rally.
It's certainly and improvement for Subaru & Petter (beating Atkinson for once) but they need to make the car quicker. Much quicker.
The cars itself wasn't quick enough to finish 2nd in a straight fight. Both Fords lost time through punchures. Can't remember what happened to Loebs team mate, but he was running in 2nd before hitting trouble.
On that basis, Petter would have finished 5th at best.
Petter lost a whole 30 seconds to Loeb in the first few stages on day 3. Loeb then backed off to finish the Rally.
It's certainly and improvement for Subaru & Petter (beating Atkinson for once) but they need to make the car quicker. Much quicker.
02 June 2008, 12:06 PM
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Being just over a minute behind Leob on the Car's debut is no mean feat - remember he lost 10 secs being stuck in Latvala's dust cloud.
A good result for the team, and will do Petter's confidence the world of good.
A good result for the team, and will do Petter's confidence the world of good.
02 June 2008, 12:53 PM
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I'm sure that by changing the graphics they are kicking themselves up their own ***** by getting rid of branding thats recognised the world over, even by people that have no interest in motorsport. What next? Ferrarri changing from red to black!!!
02 June 2008, 01:03 PM
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I can see you could easily mistake the little red thing above the engine as a turbo intercooler, but don't you think its a little small for the WRC car and won't be getting much cooling there will it! 
Oh, and check out the huge intercooler piping leading to the front of the car where the front mount intercooler is located.
Oh, and check out the huge intercooler piping leading to the front of the car where the front mount intercooler is located.
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Well done for 2nd, but was this rally somehow selected as it would be known there would be more casualties on this than most other events?
Liked the car, thought the livery was dull and boring.
Liked the car, thought the livery was dull and boring.
02 June 2008, 04:05 PM
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I wouldn't get too excited. He finished 2nd, yes, but by default really.
The cars itself wasn't quick enough to finish 2nd in a straight fight. Both Fords lost time through punchures. Can't remember what happened to Loebs team mate, but he was running in 2nd before hitting trouble.
On that basis, Petter would have finished 5th at best.
Petter lost a whole 30 seconds to Loeb in the first few stages on day 3. Loeb then backed off to finish the Rally.
It's certainly and improvement for Subaru & Petter (beating Atkinson for once) but they need to make the car quicker. Much quicker.
The cars itself wasn't quick enough to finish 2nd in a straight fight. Both Fords lost time through punchures. Can't remember what happened to Loebs team mate, but he was running in 2nd before hitting trouble.
On that basis, Petter would have finished 5th at best.
Petter lost a whole 30 seconds to Loeb in the first few stages on day 3. Loeb then backed off to finish the Rally.
It's certainly and improvement for Subaru & Petter (beating Atkinson for once) but they need to make the car quicker. Much quicker.
Part of any race is being able to finish the damn thing without crashing or breaking the car! Ford didn't manage it, Solberg and Loeb did!
Does that mean Loeb only won by default because the Fords (which have been quicker in a lot of other rallies) had problems too?
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I can see you could easily mistake the little red thing above the engine as a turbo intercooler, but don't you think its a little small for the WRC car and won't be getting much cooling there will it!
Oh, and check out the huge intercooler piping leading to the front of the car where the front mount intercooler is located.
Oh, and check out the huge intercooler piping leading to the front of the car where the front mount intercooler is located.
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WTF?
Part of any race is being able to finish the damn thing without crashing or breaking the car! Ford didn't manage it, Solberg and Loeb did!
Does that mean Loeb only won by default because the Fords (which have been quicker in a lot of other rallies) had problems too?
Part of any race is being able to finish the damn thing without crashing or breaking the car! Ford didn't manage it, Solberg and Loeb did!
Does that mean Loeb only won by default because the Fords (which have been quicker in a lot of other rallies) had problems too?
So don't go expecting victories any time soon.
Loeb was faster than the Fords before they had problems, so he won by being faster.
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02 June 2008, 04:28 PM
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02 June 2008, 04:48 PM
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The old car had 2 seconds and 1 third this year - Hardly loads - and they were as a result of higher placed drivers dropping out (including Solberg himself!). Any good results in the old car were definitely despite the car rather than because of it!
The reason Acropolis was chosen for the first outing is because it is the hardest event of the season on the cars. If you can survive Acropolis, you can survive anything! I doubt Subaru really expected either car to finish the event, never mind finishing in 2nd.
Everyone is assuming that the new car was slower than the other cars, but it could well be part of the tactics. In events like Acropolis, its generally not outright speed that wins it, but reliability. If you push too hard then you break your car - the experienced drivers like Solberg and Loeb know this while the less experienced drivers push hard on the first stage and then start to develop problems!
If you look at the stage times for ss1 & ss2, its the young guns Latvala and Sordo who are heading the field, while Leob, Hirvonen and Solberg form a 2nd slower group that are all quite close. Sordo already starts to get problems on SS3.
Petter's plan for this rally was to 1) get used to the car a bit and 2) get to the finish! The next round in Turkey should see a small improvement with the lessons learnt from Greece, and Germany may also be a little off pace as its the first tarmac rally - otherwise, I think you'll see a very big improvement relative to Ford and Citroen for the rest of the season!
