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Old 03 April 2008, 01:49 PM
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Has any one fitted the above turbo to a 93 wrx? (ie- phase 1 inlet manifold set up) Any pics or advice would be great. Been told i need two 63mm 90 degree samco hoses and a joiner. I'd like pics if possible so i can see how i have to do it, cheers guys.
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Old 03 April 2008, 08:44 PM
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Nobody? Surely i'm not the pioneer on this.
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Alright mate, that is my next mod I am looking at putting a TD05 on my 1995 WRX Wagon Import so I would like to know if this is a simple swap as I have the TD04 as far as I am aware.

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if you have a wrx import then you should have a tdo5 as tdo4's are on english cars....
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Originally Posted by marv wrx
if you have a wrx import then you should have a tdo5 as tdo4's are on english cars....
Think the wagons only had a TD04, their power was always slightly behind the saloon.
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I am hopefully doing this this weekend, family commitments permitting....

I am using a 60mm Samco 90 degree to mate to my current setup.


However my inlet path is modified already, it uses

76mm-60mm reducing 90 degree elbow
3" x 3" ally tube.

I modified the reducing elbow to take a 25mm T into it, to which the ISCV and DV return feed to. Breather returns go to a catch tank so no returns for these either.

This has been done already and fits a OE snorkel TD05, see below







So all I need to do is fit the 60mm Samco elbow to the 20g and it will fit my current setup.

So this means that the OE black inlet elbow that usually fits to the turbo should fit to a single 60mm elbow from the 20g (with a decent joiner).

HTH
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Cheers Jay, do you have a photo of the 20g turbo? I'd like to see it so i can compare it to the 16g turbo. I've got a simular set up to you ie Intercooler pipework, but have the OE pipe coming off the maff. Would be gratefull if you could keep me posted on how you get on and any probs, if any, you encounter. I've been told i need 2 90 degree 63mm samco bends but would like to be able to understand in my head how it will all fit.
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Not all 20g turbos look alike, mine is an Andy forrest one, pics on his website AndyForrestPerformance
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Originally Posted by "Taylor"
Think the wagons only had a TD04, their power was always slightly behind the saloon.
salons and wagons have identical power outputs
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Are the engine internals standard?

If so, you're a braver man than me. Must be around 380 bhp with all the right bits to go with it. On a 15 year old engine, assuming no rebuild.
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Ye this is the one i have on order too. Just wondering the difference between front entry and the 90 degree entry. Trying to figure out in my head how it will plumb in. Heres a pic of my set up:

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Originally Posted by rossyboy
Are the engine internals standard?

If so, you're a braver man than me. Must be around 380 bhp with all the right bits to go with it. On a 15 year old engine, assuming no rebuild.
I had it rebuilt last may at API. No forged pistons though, just late spec wrx pistons. Don't think i'll quite be hitting that mark, as long as its more than 303 bhp i'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by trails
salons and wagons have identical power outputs
I stand corrected
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Originally Posted by "Taylor"
I stand corrected


a 20g should be good for around 400bhp with the right supporting mods, if you are not going to be pushing it that far an 18g is a better bet and much less likely to suffer from surge. A well set up 18g in a classic will fly.
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This is what your car has



You can see why people call it a snorkel / chimney / 90 degree entry

The 20g will look something like this



It has a front entry compresser cover

So you have to just put a 90 degree Samco elbow to make it fit your OE pipework, you'll need a 60mm 90 dr#egree Samco and a 60mm joiner, both available from Rally Design.
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Jay your a legend!
This is exactly what i wanted to see, now i can clearly see the inlets i can make sense of it in my head. Thanks, you've been a big help. Keep me posted on how it goes on the week end. I'm not doing mine for about another 4/5 weeks as my remap isn't until may 14th, so i'll try to do it a week in advance as this is my everyday car.
Cheers,
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No probs, unfortunatley the kids are ill so the wife has revoked the weekend pass, was planning on turbo swap, injectors, fuel lines, AVCR, gauges, plugs and an oil change. Nevermind I'm sure I'll get a chance soon - mines a daily driver too!
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Originally Posted by trails


a 20g should be good for around 400bhp with the right supporting mods, if you are not going to be pushing it that far an 18g is a better bet and much less likely to suffer from surge. A well set up 18g in a classic will fly.
My mate has one on his 2.5 wrx and it made 370 odd bhp on 505 injectors.

Mine will be supported by:
440 injectors (brand new so i'm not changing to 550's),
Fuel Lab FPR,
Walbro 255,
NGK PFR7B's
Apexi AVCR,
Apexi Power FC,
Apexi Power Intake,
Full 2.5" de-cat exhaust including Afterburner wide mouth down pipe,
ported headers,
Autobahn FMIC.

It still has the standard MAF, which is supposedly limited to 350bhp, so i don't expect to see more than that TBH. Went for the 20g as its the same price as the 18g, and gives me room for further modding should i choose to do so. It has marginally more lag but nothing to be too concerned about.
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Originally Posted by Jay m A
No probs, unfortunatley the kids are ill so the wife has revoked the weekend pass, was planning on turbo swap, injectors, fuel lines, AVCR, gauges, plugs and an oil change. Nevermind I'm sure I'll get a chance soon - mines a daily driver too!
Sounds like a busy day! Nevermind hope the kids get better soon buddy. Thanks again for your help.
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[quote="Taylor";7785199]My mate has one on his 2.5 wrx and it made 370 odd bhp on 505 injectors.

Mine will be supported by:
440 injectors (brand new so i'm not changing to 550's),
Fuel Lab FPR,
Walbro 255,
NGK PFR7B's
Apexi AVCR,
Apexi Power FC,
Apexi Power Intake,
Full 2.5" de-cat exhaust including Afterburner wide mouth down pipe,
ported headers,
Autobahn FMIC.

It still has the standard MAF, which is supposedly limited to 350bhp, so i don't expect to see more than that TBH. Went for the 20g as its the same price as the 18g, and gives me room for further modding should i choose to do so. It has marginally more lag but nothing to be too concerned about. [/quote]

not dis-similar to mine, it goes very well at present but once I put my 3"system on and get mapped for a 20% Meth mix it'll go better I don't believe the MAFF is a limitation at 350bhp, its just not very nice

Hybrid TD05 18g (from Andy Forrest)
Samco turbo inlet hose
Samco coolant hoses
Samco heater hoses
Apexi 550cc injectors
Walbro 225 fuel pump
Fuellabs pressure regulator
Parallel fuel rails
Coolant delete on Throttle body
Lateral Performance K&N based induction kitCarl Davey inlet manifold spacerCarl Davey header tank isolatorsHKS fmic with Mikalor clamps and wrapped pipe work
HKS SSQ BOV converted to re-circulating
H&S full de-cat (wrapped downpipe)
HKS circle of earth
Wrapped and ported headers and slip joint up-pipe
Oil catch can
Lightweight pulley set
Apexi Power FC and Commander mapped by Zack at Mocom
Air Conditioning removal
Mocol oil cooler (thermostatically controlled)[/FONT][/COLOR]
lots of heat managment

[URL="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/trails/IMG_5744.jpg"][/URL]

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I bet it goes well. What power are you getting at the mo Trails? Judging by the meths comment, i'm guessing its not an everyday car?!
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[quote="Taylor";7785199]My mate has one on his 2.5 wrx and it made 370 odd bhp on 505 injectors.

Dont forget 405lbf.ft, Until May14th
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[QUOTE=scooby401;7785907]
Originally Posted by "Taylor"
My mate has one on his 2.5 wrx and it made 370 odd bhp on 505 injectors.

Dont forget 405lbf.ft, Until May14th
I'll ring you about ordering that FPR. Futher mods coming...re routed oil breathers and catch can.
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Originally Posted by "Taylor"
I bet it goes well. What power are you getting at the mo Trails? Judging by the meths comment, i'm guessing its not an everyday car?!
no idea tbh, its quick enough the make water squirt out of the washer jets when it gets launched...once the wheels stop spinning that is

it started life that way but has developed into a toy
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i am running around 380 bhp on my 2L with a 20g
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