which turbo for my00 ?
31 March 2008, 05:57 PM
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which turbo for my00 ?
Hi all
im kind of confused as to what turbo i should get for my00 UK
andy forrest said TD05 20G
and scoobyclinic said VF34
the mods i have currently are:
fmic
full decat
induction kit
mods that i have but need to go on:
FPR
WALBRO fuel pump
also any advice on gearbox...clutch...flywheel and also parrallel fuel rail would be helpful
many thanks .BOB
im kind of confused as to what turbo i should get for my00 UK
andy forrest said TD05 20G
and scoobyclinic said VF34
the mods i have currently are:
fmic
full decat
induction kit
mods that i have but need to go on:
FPR
WALBRO fuel pump
also any advice on gearbox...clutch...flywheel and also parrallel fuel rail would be helpful
many thanks .BOB
31 March 2008, 06:03 PM
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Considering the UK heads and Rev limit you might be better with an 18g rather then the 20g, and hope the gearbox holds. The VF34 would be nice also but the 18g would be my choice.
Id go for an Exedy organic clutch and forget about the parrallel fuel rails for now.
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Id go for an Exedy organic clutch and forget about the parrallel fuel rails for now.
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20G then or maybe 18G with additives added to the fuel and mapped appropriately.
You'll need to sort out your intercooler; std one not adequate for 20G. I suggest going for a fontmount, as the STi 8 one is a bit of an **** to fit to a UK classic and doesn't work out cheaper than a good FMIC like the Hybrid. I had one fitted recently and was most impressed by the difference it made to the drive. If you're on the std ECU and going for ECUtek, would also suggest you consider an AVCR to set up in gear boost compensation which will help with low down grunt and bypass the pesky drive by nonsense built into the ECU.
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If you're on the std Gearbox and Clutch expect these to go sooner rather than later, perhaps VERY soon - the clutch may not even survive the mapping. You'll need something like the Exeedy uprated organic clutch (circa 300 then 4 hours labour to fit) and either a 6 speed gearbox from a new age Sti (circa 2k) or a PPG gear set (circa 3k).
How much are you running now? 330ish on a UK classic is significantly cheaper and easier and makes for a VERY quick daily driver, take my word for it!
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You'll need to sort out your intercooler; std one not adequate for 20G. I suggest going for a fontmount, as the STi 8 one is a bit of an **** to fit to a UK classic and doesn't work out cheaper than a good FMIC like the Hybrid. I had one fitted recently and was most impressed by the difference it made to the drive. If you're on the std ECU and going for ECUtek, would also suggest you consider an AVCR to set up in gear boost compensation which will help with low down grunt and bypass the pesky drive by nonsense built into the ECU.
More info here:
If you're on the std Gearbox and Clutch expect these to go sooner rather than later, perhaps VERY soon - the clutch may not even survive the mapping. You'll need something like the Exeedy uprated organic clutch (circa 300 then 4 hours labour to fit) and either a 6 speed gearbox from a new age Sti (circa 2k) or a PPG gear set (circa 3k).
How much are you running now? 330ish on a UK classic is significantly cheaper and easier and makes for a VERY quick daily driver, take my word for it!
Ns04
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31 March 2008, 06:16 PM
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do you think i'd be putting to much pressure on the 2.0litre ? the guy at scoobyclinic advised me to go for 2.5 conversion which would be nice but it has a heavy price tag £4,000 which i dont mind spending but its just going to take longer
31 March 2008, 06:18 PM
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i doubt i am even reaching figuires of 300 yet... my car is just used on weekends im at work during the week so i hardly drive it... owned the car for 10months and ive only done 4,000 miles...and the milege is very low just hit 32,000
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https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...e-go-fmic.html
How much do you WANT to spend? 330bbhp and similar torque on a car as young as yours wouldn't trouble the std transmission as much as a 20G conversion and thus be significantly cheaper! It would also probably be quicker point to point that the bigger 20G turbo set up.
A 20G on a 2.5 set up would be a very different story and make for a very responsive and fast car, not cheap though, as on top of the 4k for the engine build you'd also definitely need the uprated transmission and the improved cooling etc...
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Ok, just seen you've already got the FMIC. Presumably the car is already re-maped for these mods?
On that budget you don't want a transmission failure!
Accordingly I'd suggest you go for a TD05 16G, or VF34/35 these will give you a near 350bhp car that will give your transmission some hope of surviving if you drive the car with mechanical sympathy! Add 550cc injectors and an AVC-R to your mods and hey presto a reliable and very responsive MY00.
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Bare in mind though, there are no assurances about transmission longevity at this stage of mods, it's a game of probabilities!
On that budget you don't want a transmission failure!
Accordingly I'd suggest you go for a TD05 16G, or VF34/35 these will give you a near 350bhp car that will give your transmission some hope of surviving if you drive the car with mechanical sympathy! Add 550cc injectors and an AVC-R to your mods and hey presto a reliable and very responsive MY00.
Ns04
Bare in mind though, there are no assurances about transmission longevity at this stage of mods, it's a game of probabilities!
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cant i break the 350bhp barrier ? or am i looking in to a 2.5 litre bottom end ?
also does anyone know anywhere that does defo gauges at a good price ? and someone who can fit them... somewhere near essex would be great
also does anyone know anywhere that does defo gauges at a good price ? and someone who can fit them... somewhere near essex would be great
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If you go for an 18G that will certainly get above 350bhp, but your gearbox is even more likely to say cheerio! That adds 2k min to your bill alone!! Xtreme Scoobies - Tel: 01245 363623 in Boreham will fit your guages and do a nice job! Give knowlesy a ring.At your stage upgrading to a 2.5 seems a bit excessive. A fit 2.0 car, appropriately modded, mapped and well looked after will run 350bhp reliably.
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Considering the UK heads and Rev limit you might be better with an 18g rather then the 20g, and hope the gearbox holds. The VF34 would be nice also but the 18g would be my choice.
Id go for an Exedy organic clutch and forget about the parrallel fuel rails for now.
Renno
Id go for an Exedy organic clutch and forget about the parrallel fuel rails for now.
Renno
31 March 2008, 09:30 PM
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I agree on the pump and a regulator but I dont think the fuel rails would be needed at that level. Have to draw the line somewhere IMO.
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31 March 2008, 09:42 PM
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Its always number three that goes though; even in completely standard cars. Number three is at the end of everything, but its the low fuel pressure and the resultant lean running that finishes cars off; in my opinion. Knowing where to stop is never easy, of course.
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31 March 2008, 11:23 PM
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A Standard UK box of a MY00 wont last long running 350bhp+ a few hard runs and it will go bang. To have 350-400bhp you'll need to budget for a newage STi 6-speed or a PPG box
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i suppose david from API is the guy to talk to when it comes to gearboxes ? or would you recommend anyone else ?ive heard alot of good things about API on here
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no david at api is the ONLY man to talk too.
when my standard gearbox let go at 135k miles in december, he was the first and last phone call i made.
£900 later and a nice reconditioned standard build gearbox, the car was running again by mid feb (backlog of gearbox orders
).
after discussing with david my options, he said i would be able to run 300-330 on the standard box all day long. anything more and it is a risk, certainly 380bhp is a risk on a standard build gearbox.
uk turbo engine internals are not as strong as the classic wrx/sti internals either, again david discussed this in length, and we agreed a car with my mileage etc would be reliable around 300bhp/300ft lb torque.
going by the great ones advice
when my standard gearbox let go at 135k miles in december, he was the first and last phone call i made.
£900 later and a nice reconditioned standard build gearbox, the car was running again by mid feb (backlog of gearbox orders
).after discussing with david my options, he said i would be able to run 300-330 on the standard box all day long. anything more and it is a risk, certainly 380bhp is a risk on a standard build gearbox.
uk turbo engine internals are not as strong as the classic wrx/sti internals either, again david discussed this in length, and we agreed a car with my mileage etc would be reliable around 300bhp/300ft lb torque.
going by the great ones advice
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