michaelro

Just came across episode 2 of the 1st series of the new top gear.
YouTube - Top Gear - Season 1 Episode 2 (Part 1/6)

Only manages to set a lap time of 1:39 in a Bug Eye WRX??

Shark Man

That's why...case closed

VTR Bondy

But did u see what he choose in the end???
The scoob of course

funkyspider

Should really have been an STi rather than a WRX, bit unfair to use the top spec model from Ford and Honda against the 'family' model from Subaru - unless the STi version hadnt been released then.

So Ford are better really. Quicker, better build quality, better depreciation, better equipment spec.

They tried to get a classic round, but unfortunately the MAF failed, then the coil packs caused a misfire, then a piston melted.

Shark Man

IIRC the cooking model WRX was more in the same price bracket (especially if it was a EU import ). So maybe that was a deciding factor.

I'll never forgive Subaru for plonking WRX badges on bog standard EU Turbos, whilst the JDM WRX classics of earlier years were blessed with extra power.

michaelro

I know the bug eye is the slowest but surely its not 9 seconds slower than an STi (1:30.1)?

Plus if you look at the lap board now the RS is on there at 1:32.2
and the wrx isn't on there at all

MaDaSS

I dont know why most Subaru owners cannot accept how good the Ford RS is? I mean, i love my Subaru to bits and yes i hate Fords but you cannot knock the RS. they are sound motors i think.
Certainly got some poke anyways.
Mind you, the BMW 1 series, now thats another rant! LOL.

Norman Dog

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All Ford RS's are good cars, the RS500 Sierra Cosworth is THE car I always wanted to own as a kid....

That car had the the performance levels 20yrs ago that my car has now

michaelro

RS Fords are good - I won't deny that - I wasn't comparing the WRX to the RS I was comparing it to most other cars they've tested including the STi.
Is the STi really 9 seconds faster?

corradoboy

Looking back on that old episode of TG, doesn't it make it evident that they've lost their way a little with the show now ? Look at the format, new car, tested against its rivals on track, road-tested and suitable conclusions drawn. I'm all for the fun they have now on TG, but a little less of it and a bit more proper car stuff like that would be great. If they were to do that same test now it would involve an Apache gunship and a trip to the Antartic instead of the Scoob and Honda !

MaDaSS

I am sick and tired of watching reviews about 90k cars. We all love to see top range cars, but ffs we cant bloody afford em.
Its about time it came back down to earth a bit and gave us a bit more 'normal' car shows.

ONE 234

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They tried to get a classic round, but unfortunately the MAF failed, then the coil packs caused a misfire, then a piston melted. [/QUOTE]

OMG, i laughed and laughed so much, i pooed.
worlds fastest impreza anybody......the classic of andy f.

didnt subaru win ALL there titles in classic's????

ill get my coat

Shark Man

Show me any NEW cars worth reviewing. Nothing is out there. At least nothing I seen in teh magazines thats anything worthy of dedicating a slot on TV for, so IMO = nothing worth sticking on TG.

Jap's eye Imprezas are the same as the blob eye, and exactly how many vesions of the EVO III/IV/V/VI/VII/VIII/IIIX/IIX/IX/X/FQ320/FQ340/FW400 etc do you want tested? Surely not every single one?


Barring the multitude of special editions and facelifts which essentially are the same cars that have already been tested. No real fresh clean-sheet design cars out there in the budget high-power family car sector.

Oh well, at least we can look forward to the review of the all-new Impreza hatchback some time in the future

wrxjay03

i think it would be a different story with the blobeye WRX

corradoboy

If TG returns in the autumn they need to be pressuring Subaru and Mitsi to be the first to test both new cars. Litcho is already advertising 08's for sale so they're not too far from being available, and X's are due by Sept. The 1st show could be completely dedicated to affordable performance cars, with the Civic TypeR, Leon, ST and maybe even the Brera (4x4 turbo) lined up alongside the newcomers. Another relevant feature could be the rise of the performance diesel. They've touched on this before pitting the Fabia vRS against a Mini Cooper with the oil-burner winning, but with these type of motors hitting 170bhp and 300ftlb out of the showroom, and much more with minimal tuning, alongside the economy benefits they really should report on where the more sensible car nut is heading these days. They could look at covering amateur motorsport such as TOTB or drifting to get closer to their target audience, instead of just satisfying our childhood desires of supercars every week. Tuning is big business, but whenever they even think about what ordinary people do to their cars they resort to the humiliation of badly chav'd grott when there are many superb companies out there doing fantastic work an every marque.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fun stuff, but want a bit more of what the show was originally about too. I ain't no TV researcher or producer, but if I can come up with enough to fill a show in a 10 minute rambling post on here, I'm sure they can make a series worth watching. If they're not careful they'll become victims of their own stupidity. Driven tried being fun and turned to Drivel. 5th Gear are trying hard to climb back up that slippery slope, and will keep struggling whilst they retain the services of VBH and that boring geeky student. TG's presenter line-up is perfect, but the content is getting tenuous. Let's hope the next series will improve as we all know the last one was badly affected by Hamsters accident.

Prasius

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..oh.. I'm gonna enjoy this..

In fact.. I'm going to enjoy this so much I'm going to kick the **** out of it and post it in two posts...

Prasius

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Hmm.. lets think about this for a minute shall well...

RB5? RB320? ..hmmm.. Richard Burns.. The first Englishman to ever with the WRC..

Lets see.. now which car did he do that in?

Oh, thats right!



A beautiful Bugeye.

funkyspider

Oh you've got me there, fair point well made eh.

Apart from ....
Andy F's motor can hardly be counted as a classic impreza can it - the bodyshell is a classic shape yes, the engine and running gear is far from standard. I'd be surprised if it even uses a MAF.

And the fact that the WRC cars can hardly be called classics either, yes the body shape is the same (as it has to be for homologation) but thats pretty much where the similarity ends. Even then they won mainly thanks to the fancy electronics developed by Prodrive which were streets ahead of the competition for a couple of years.

And the fact that after the 22B, the STi RA Spec-C (newage) will knock the **** off pretty much any other impreza in standard factory form, possibly not straight line, but imprezas were never designed as a straight line car.

Now get ur coat

scubasteve

Didn't the Bugeye claim the manufactures championship too?

ONE 234

oh how i laughed******************
ill have to change the limited edition plaque on the inside and outside of my type R STI WRC, as it says (1997 world championship winner subaru)

check your facts mate, this was way before the bug eye was even born...no YOU get your coat.

im going to love this, wheres PS L when you need him

ONE 234

and if your not counting the classic impreza of andy f as a classic...
then how on earth can you count the WRC (you got me) bug eye of R.B as a bug eye??
at least andy is a privateer, the WRC car was changed beyond the relms of any normal/road going subaru
so if you discount andy, you must discount WRC cars,
but yes you got me with richard...i should have known better, but every other one was in classics (and thats what made subaru as a rally marque)
ps i have a 2002 bug eye sti also, with over 40k spent on it, and i still prefer the type R (standard trim almost)

[Davey]

God its like arguing about football teams....

go back to the fooking pub! lol..

[Davey]

I should add... What in gods name we're subaru thinking when they made the Bug eye WRX.. I drove a couple a year or so back because i fancied a "newer" scoob.. and I was most dissapointed !

Prasius

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Okay - when you actually decide to read my frigging post.

You said "Didn't Subaru win ALL their titles in Classics?"

I pointed out that NO, Subaru did not win "ALL" their titles in Classics. Richard Burns, the only Englishman ever to win the WRC, did so in the 2001 Season, driving a Bugeye.

At no point did I say Subaru had only won in a bugeye, I shall leave the grossly incorrect statements to you; and anyhow - you brought up the WRC reference.

I'm trying very hard to remain polite...

Oh, and just to make sure..

Years Subaru have won the WRC drivers championship -

1995 - McRae
2001 - Burns
2003 - Solberg (hard to believe for those with shorter memories I know )

(Subaru won the constructors championships in 1997, but lost the actual drivers title to Makinen driving a Mitsubishi - hence the plaque in your car).

ONE 234

its easy to remain polite, it just takes an education.
i was trying to be lighthearted, and if you read the second of my posts your refering to, i admitted id got it wrong with R.B,
the WRC referenc was just to compare with the modified car of A.F.
but it matters not, im not that ****.
and as a point of meadiation....your bug eye is a lot nicer/faster & more reliable than my Type R.
good luck.

Prasius

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I just get defensive over bugs..

ONE 234

why? there great cars, i have a 02 model, and its the nuts, if you send me a pm with your email address ill send you the photo file, i spent 40k on my engine, and chassis, and love it.
i just like the drive of the Type R better.

but i respect you for defending the bug, because a lot do slate it, why i dont know.
good luck mate.

Dan W

lay off the bug eyed, if it wasn't for this model we probably wouldn't have the blob eyed or hawk eyed.

Probein

I still prefer the look of my bugeye to any classic.

*cackles and runs for cover*.

Seriously though, I do.#

Just watched the top gear... Beaten by a Civic Type R around a track? Jesus.. does PPP really make THAT much difference then? My bug has PPP and I wouldn't even look twice at a Type R! I didn't realise standard WRX's were that slow.