explore

went in for a new clutch the other day to find out prices etc so the chap in tritons called up subaru first to check the numbers etc and the chap was told that subaru changed the flywheels after the 03's where out to a mod'd one and i would have to buy a flywheel aswell as a clutch, now dont you think this is wrong they should have told us owners or had a recall of some kind, all i need is a clutch and was gonna buy a better one but now have to fork out even more money and get the mod'd flywheel.
any 2003 owners out there may want to check up before getting a new clutch and make sure they get what they need.

The Rig

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That is in fact TRUE !!

to cut a long story short, in my classic sport i went to main dealer to have clutch/flywheel done as it was done at a back street place via previous owner and it had THE WORST CLUTCH JUDDER seen by all garages and subaru themselves,anyhoo,they fitted a new clutch/flywheel/crank seal yarda yarda,cool,few days pass, i still have slight clutch judder,take it back,they agree,rebook it in and it was in for 2 days,they had a specialist down and all sorts,they then fitted a clutch from an 03 model,basically,the clutch/flywheel are made together and balanced together and have markings on both to alighn the clutch so all balances are 110% spot on,so yes,after 03 clutch/flywheel are a pair FROM SUBARU that is !!!

once this was fitted,sweet as sweet as sweet.




then the missus rolled it a few mths later.Huf !

explore

so your telling me everytime i need a clutch i will have to get a flywheel, i find this hard to belive and so do the chaps at triton motorsports. they said that on the 2003 wrx down the line they modded the fly wheel, but not all cars had the modded flywheel, which means if you just got a clutch without the modded flywheel the clutch would not work, so you would have to get both and after you had the modded flywheel if the clutch go's you can just put another clutch in, this info was from subaru as i was there when the chap called them. me thinks you got done by another (St)(d)ealer

euan_r

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though it was good practice when replacing a clutch plate to put pressure plate back on with same orientation it came off any way.

explore

dont know mate, but it cant be hard even if your just putting a clutch on?

TonyBurns

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You normally change the clutch and the flywheel, think there is something else they change also, but its common practice if you take it to a subaru dealer, same for some other cars, ie ford mondeo, change the clutch and the master cylnder at the same time (or is that the slave cylnder? )

Tony

explore

ok fair enuff, but id rather take my car to tritons than a dealer, tritons are the best imho

The Rig

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i think it all depends on how fussy you are,i am very fuissy,hence the whole package was given,if u dont mind a bit of clutch judder,onyl fit the flywheel the 1st time i suppose

anyways,what i typed 1st time was what happened and what i was otld by the main dealer i went to

The Rig

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also,dont think i got done as i had the work done properly the 1st time and went back and had the whole lot swapped out, i saw them do it,no main dealer wants to do a clutch/flywheel job twice on the same car within a month

T5NYW

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I assume it's a WRX?

These clutches take a lot of Torque and surface of Flywheek does get heat damage. But once they slip it is not very long before the Flywheel face is badly damaged

Subaru dealer fitted 6 speed OEM Clutch kit was about £1100 and £1550 if flywheel if required, so shop around

not certain but wern't the WRX newage 5 speed kits 230mm and the same as a classic WRX/STi's

I'd advise fitting Flywheel unless you do it youyrself or get it fitted free


Tony

pslewis

Flywheels only need to be replaced if they show signs of burning .......

They are designed for the life of the car - you don't replace the wheels when you replace your tyres.

It's simply a money making excersise to fleece the gullible

mgcvk

A load of crap. They may well have changed the flywheel post '03. Doesn't mean you have to replace the flywheel on yours unless it is somehow damaged which is very very unlikely. Sometimes a light skim is necessary. Go and see David at API and get an exedy fitted for less than a dealer will charge you. Better clutch as well. A lightened OEM flywheel is an option but not essential. Don't pay a "stealer" a fortune, go to the specialists.

The Rig

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horses for courses,its not a load of crap.

i had a clutch/flywheel fitted TWICE at 2 different places on the car/both had judder,1st time was MAJOR judder,2nd at dealer minor judder but im fussy and wanted judder free so took it back and had the 03 setup where the clutch/flywheel is balanced together to give judder free hot/cold day night dry wet no matter what,and it did.

mgcvk

Clutches are still available to fit the 2003 impreza. Like I say I wouldn't go to a dealer unless it was warranty work.

scoobyboy

trouble is a lot of these so called specialists don't even know what the paint marks mean on the clutch parts so chances are you lot have already had them installed wrong anyway.

easyrider

What do they mean then?

pslewis

I would just love to see these Clutch/Flywheel combinations 'Balanced'

Do they balance them on your car? Or do they balance them as they do Tyres?

We all know that judder happens in the damp as the Clutch is brought into contact with the Flywheel ....... how does a 'balanced' set overcome this? At what point in the operation cycle is it balanced?

I believe that it is utter bollox all this talk of balanced stuff - if it's balanced on some dynamic set-up in the factory it certainly is NOT going to be balanced in the same way when fitted to your crankshaft with all its variables!

Another Myth to take money from the gullible ..... sorry.

scooby-k

most clutches I've ever fitted have location dowels. so has to be true to flywheel. pressure plate is located by primary pinion shaft so that has to be true as well.
all this dealer talk just an excuse to rob you. like the latest jag advert talking about microns bet they dont even know what one is but it sounds technical.

The Rig

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well,as i had th ejob done the 1st time and stil had judder and watched the process it wasnt a load of talk to fob me off out of my monies,as id already paid for the job

but hey,as u wish

The Rig

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also,clutch judder is NOT just caused by the compound of the material,hence the balancing being done.

scoobyboy

they are balance marks but what way round do they go?

see you lot fob dealers off but at the end of the day they know how it should be done.

The Rig

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exatly,im not saying they dont charge alot for the work,but they do know their stuff as they do it day in day out and have more resource than other small subaru "specialists"

the clutch/flywheel i saw had loads of marks to align up,red green and blue lines

misty

Hmm! A flywheel/clutch that is out of balance will not cause clutch judder! Clutch judder is caused by debris on the flywheel/clutch friction plate surface, or a warped flywheel/friction plate. This causes the friction plate to grab at the flywheel instead of a smooth take up. Classically, oil was deposited on the friction plate from the rear crank oil seal. One of the recommended methods of removal was to slip the clutch a time or two causing the oil to burn off. This of course was a temporary measure until the seal could be replaced. But replacing the flywheel every time with the clutch is just a money making scam....IMHO of course.
Dave

pslewis

Some people will not listen though ..... you get an IT Bod, or a Banker, Accountant, Student, etc. and they just don't have a hope in hell when a Mechanic/Dealer gives them some bollox about this and that.

They sometimes try it on with me ...... a very fast question from me soon puts them right in their place and they are little puppies then

euan_r

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now we have the great lewis on the case

surprised nobodys mentioned: marked surface of thrust bearing due to failing spigot or failing thrust bearings. these would have caused a lot of judder.

pslewis

It is accepted practise to re-new the Thrust Bearing ...... no-one is disputing that fact (I don't think).

But, not many Engineers state re-new the Flywheel as a matter of course - thats just plain daft!

T5NYW

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Pete,

I don't think it's a case of changing Flywheel as "a matter of course" but higher percentage of Impreza clutches are abuse than a ford mondeo

If a clutch was changed at 90-140Kmiles the "wear/abuse/overheating" given to the flywheel would minamal and a chance the flywheel would be OK. That would not be the case of a Clutch that need changing at 12kmiles.

I have seen about 10 Flywheels (two of mine) all under 20kmiles and flywheel were far from sevicable

Tony

pslewis

So, moral of the story is, if you drive like a lunatic renew the flywheel ..... for the rest of us, we can rest our Bank Accounts?

pslewis

So, moral of the story is, if you drive like a lunatic renew the flywheel ..... for the rest of us, we can rest our Bank Accounts?

misty

Do you have a stammer Pete?
Dave