prowaggon

Can anyone help, I have been speed trapped at 48mph in a 30.
the gun was used 1095 metres away to take the reading.
Does anyone know what the recommended distance range for the use these devises is?
I am thinking of raising an appeal because I do not believe I was going that fast, the officer at a range of over a km away was barely visable in the dawn light. Sureley at this distance slight hand shake will give a false reading.

does anyone know any links to anti-radar websites for further info on how to appeal against radar speed related penalties?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

What have they offered you? I'd take three points and a £60 fine, if offered.

I tried to fight one, got FOUR points, £100 fine AND £150 costs, so not worth it.

Alcazar

prowaggon

Fixed penalty notice £60 and 3 points.

So you think I should just take the fine? I saw report in TV yesterday stating that only 50% of motering offences are convicted due to driver/car owner appeals? Don't want to pay up if there is a good chance of getting off.

I've seen somewhere that radar guns are advised to be used up to 1000m but can't find where I saw it!!!

mykp

Take a look at at pepipoo - PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice theres load of info on there.

mykp

you might find this usefull - notice of intended prosicution wizard

PePiPoo: NIP Wizard

RA Dunk

48 in a 30?? you deserve the book to be thrown at you for that

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

not if its a false reading !!

and come on give him a chance it could have been a dock road or something, open both sides ! Stupid ****ing speed limit

air.mech23

Simple answer - dont speed. Nothing to worry about then.

scoobynutta555

With speed limit 'reconfiguration' these days it was probably a 40 limit a few years ago. May have even been a nice wide non residential road or a dual carriageway, I assume it is as a reading from over a kilometer away. Either way it's a crass comment without knowing the facts of the case, including if it was a false reading.

RA Dunk

if it was a false reading surely he would have said in his post?

maybe it wasnt a dock road? what if it was a busy residential road?

whether it was a 40 years ago and a 30 now it still aint no excuse TBH, its a 30 now and thats it

dont get me wrong guys i aint no PC doo gooder pretty far from it

but dont you think 48 in a 30 is just a wee bit too fast?

scotthldr

Hi M8, Accept f**k all fight it all the way, I have accepted fixed penalties and fines before and I was stupid. I once got caught in a line of traffic approx 7 cars long doing 68 in a 60 but cause i was in a VW Transporter van limited to 50 they stopped me. I just accepted their word so I took the 3 points and £60 fine, 2weeks later i was speaking to my mate who happens to be a copper and mentioned it to him, his reply was - there is no way that they could've clocked me as they have to aim at a flat surface coming towards them ie the number plate, only way they would've got me was by hitting the side of the van at an angle which would've bounced the laser off in the opposite direction. He reckons they took the reading off the car at the front then stopped me as I was over the limit the most. It is so easy to get caught now adays so fight to keep your licence clean. I regret i didn't as I am now banned for 6 months under the totting up procedure, and regardless of what people think on here I am not a fast dangerous driver.

scotthldr

Sorry mate was gonna say that the Safety camera van laser work a range of 9 m to 999m Good luck.

bob r

iTrader: (46)

48 in a 30 does seem quick but then it depends on the time of day, type of road etc before we decide to the guy.

J4MESPPP

why? limits are there for a reason, despite us all thinking we know better, and as long as we're driving 'safely' in the right 'conditions' then the limit should be treated as a guide...

48 in a 30?

take the fine/points..

GeeDee

iTrader: (2)

Apparently, at that sort of distance, and there is a recommended max limit for these hand held machines, if the beam starts on your windscreen and slips down your bonnet whilst taking the reading it can effect the result enough to make a difference.

Was there a video of the reading for you to examine??

Had it also been calibrated in accordance with recommendations?

suffolkdar

Reguardless of wether it was a faulse reading or not YOU WERE speeding admit it, so take it on the chin like the prat you are and watch your speed in future

corradoboy

Don't fill in the NIP, but write "see attached" on it and then supply all the information they ask for, but with the Pepipoo statement informing them that as you have not been formally cautioned by the prosecuting officer, that any information you volutarily supply is inadmissible in court as evidence. Also ask to see photographic evidence that it was your car at that time, and to ascertain if you were the driver. You will need to inspect the calibration certificate for the device used, and its Home Office type approval. The officer needs to be proven to be trained in its operation. If it was an LT20/20 then they are infamous for giving false 'slip' readings, which resulted in a live TV test showing a brick wall travelling at 58mph. Signs warning you of speed detection measures need to be displayed at 1500m intervals and certainly within that distance of the device used. All speed signs must be within the prescription of the Road Traffic Act. If any of the limit change signs were anything other than a 600mm round sign with a red border, white background with black text then the limit has not changed in the eyes of the law. If, for example, they use those common rectangular signs with a fluorescent yellow background with the speed limit within it then the previous speed limit is still in force.

PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

billythekid

upto 2000m.

StudentScooby

1095m seems like a crazy distance to me!

corradoboy

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m1cks

That distance also indicates it was a long straight road with good visiblilty and with the recent dry weather, good grip. Definatly read up on the calibration issue of the device used to track your "alleged" speed

prowaggon

Thanks for your comments guys

some helpful some not

the road in question was constitution hill, london, next to buck house,
time was 7.30 am, not a lot on road, big wide road.

I still feel that speed was well under 48 but was over 30 mph. Was stopped by officer at the seen so fixed openalty notice issued at the time (No NIP). Officer said that I may appeal but would end up in court.
I'll review the links you've kindly offered, I still feel that the distance that the device was used raises the question of it's accuracy.

billythekid

They can be used upto 2000m as I said - but will be tripod / vehicle mounted.

However, constitution hill is not over 1km long, more like 650m... so where did the 1095m come from? You sure it was not 109.5m??

Trucker Ted

Pepipoo is the place to go mate, that site saved me from 3 points when they tried to do me with 68 in a 60 . Remember they are just out to make money and chances are they didnt even get you with a decent reading as like corradoboy says these guns can be pretty inaccurate when used out in the real world and this is a proven fact. They just rely on the sheep taking their medicine and coughing up the cash and their license because the motoroist doesnt complain or try to run away.(easy meal ticket) They then send a form out where they want you to incriminate yourself without showing you a scrap of evidence,(jokers) no dont think so ,if you fight it correctly you will get off with this alledged conviction. Good luck !

prowaggon

1095 is written on the fixed penalty notice, and was showing on the hand held device! I wonder wether the officer has got his metres and feet mixed up!

billythekid

I would be going to court then to have a chat with his/her Worships

gotmashed

If it was feet and he has put meters then you can get out of it. Ive been there myself the copper put xr3i when it was a rs turbo and said that on the back of the car which he looked at.

mcw

Prowaggon, you mention you only got the fixed penalty notice and not a NIP. If stopped by an officer the NIP is generally verbal, and not a piece of paper.

At 48 in a 30 you were lucky to be offered a ticket, a lot of people I know would have reported you and sent you straight to court, for bigger fines and more points.

RA Dunk

IIRC you should recieve your NIP within two weeks, if you get it after two weeks you have a chance of getting off with it or at least a better chance of fighting it