Sam Elassar

hi there
thanks for john Philips for arranging the day. great car mate email me when ever you get used to the power and want more


just as a reference point can who ever attended the dyno post their results and car specs here please. dyno figures don't really mean much when they are on their own. also it will help establish if the rolling road was accurate or not. i know the 22b was impressive but how about any sti's ? i have noticed a yellow one how did that get one ?.

cheers

Sam
MY99 LINK, VF23, full exhaust
278.5bhp 292lb ft torque

JohnS

iTrader: (1)

Well done Sam, you must have the most powerful UK spec engine in the UK now!

Robertio

iTrader: (1)

MY0O (Std, 4k miles)
204.5 bhp @ 5800
209 lb ft @4680

(Well at least I know why it doesn't feel very quick now)

steve McCulloch

292lbs torque

I guess thats possible - has Bob increased the ignition advance - do u use octane booster?

Thats the sort of torque I'm hoping for at the next Powerstation day in my sti5 with link and a few other bits- unfortunately though I only have the VF28 as my VF22 failed!

Shaun

Steve,

Yeah....but you aint gonna beat my 320++BHP and 345++ lb/ft of my F O R D monster.

In fact there's only gonna be 2 other people that MAY have a chance!

Shaun.

Sam

292 of torque is no good when it only lasts for 500 revs on overboost!!!!!!

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steve McCulloch

Shaun - did u achieve this at Powerstation - pretty impressive if u did

You must explain what this FORD nonsense is - never heard of it

Found on rubbish dump ?
Fcuked old rusty dog?

I used to have a basic Escort Cossie but by the time I finished with it there were hardly any FDOR bits on it - tells you something really

steve McCulloch

Anyhow - just realised thats pretty low power for a FORD - u aint spent much on it yet then?

Bit to go before u get to power like Mark Sheeds 545bhp Seirra Cossie!

Sam Elassar

steve
i have not increased the ignition advance from the old turbo. the fueling had to be changed a bit to accomodate the bigger turbo. the car feels rapid. and i don't use octane booster either however i will be for brands.

shaun
i don't have any more over boost than you would!! assuming all turbo charged cars will over boost to an extent. if i get any over boost at all i get 1psi if i hit the sweet spot. very unlikely on the rolling road.

i will try to go to the PS rollers in the way to brands to compare the figures anyway

cheers

sam

Mike Rainbird

Shaun,
You're embarrassing the Ford marque if that's the best you can do , mine makes more power than that at a lowly 4520rpm (354bhp) and more torque than that at 4000rpm (396lb/ft) and I'm only on greens like you . Bet on your school report it used to say "must try harder"
LOL
Mike R

Shaun

But Mike......My car has NEVER broken down and spends all of it's life ON THE ROAD, not in a GARAGE BEING REPAIRED!!!!!!

Your school report should say "Close, but no cigar!!!"

How much money has it taken you too realise that a reliable Cossie is a 350bhp one?????

Shaun (The slag master)
Oh, and those MINIMUM figures are based on a standard engine and turbo with a chip running at 9.5 CO........wait until I get my Ahmed Bayoo chip!

Sam Elassar

shaun, mike

i would love to have a car with as much power as yours. however the cossie are even more dated than my scooby . and out of interest how heavy are cossie ?

do you think we are getting side tracked from the original thread.

sam

steve McCulloch

Sam

If the ignition advance has'nt been tweaked u wwont get anywhere near 292lbs torque at Powerstation

I would expect you to get nearer 260lbs?

Mike - 7 years with a dated Seirra? - why did you never go for the 4 wheel drive version - cant u afford to get a decent car cos your Seirra keeps braking down and breaking the bank account?

Shaun - I agree 350bhp is a safe limit - I cant talk fords here as this is a Subaru sight

Lets just say that on My cossie the AP clutches could not cope - one lasted 2000 miles and another 7500, pretty naf for an AP uprated clutch

I was behind some muppet the other week who claimed to have 420hp at Powerengineering in his Escort Cossie- only problem was he could not get away from my pretty basic Scoob - more like 340hp me thinks
420bhp from a basic 2litre as well - now if he'd said it had a 2.2litre conversion then maybe?

Mike Rainbird

Shaun,
But I've finally got there now... . I've had 350bhp and would fall asleep at the wheel if I had to go that far backwards.... Also, how long have you had your car? I have had mine seven years and in that time it has only EVER broken down three times....

Sam,
1275Kg with fuel but no driver - so ner...
LOL
Mike R


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robski

Steve,

Mike lives in the late eighties/early nineties, I think hes trying to model himself on some sort of Aha / Spender hybrid.

Although his cossie was definately using big horses when it was rolling roaded, not them little shetland thingies than most rolling roads seem to use.

The new ones supposed to be a little more powerful, so once Ive been along to Scole next month, I will tell you if the horses have shrunk, or if hes managed to get an extra 100 or so shoved under the bonnet!

robski

Mike Rainbird

Steve,
When you have a really powerful car, EVERYTHING else seems slow. I have tried loads of so-called "Supercars" to tempt me away, but the Cossie canes them AND is practical. This is why I have kept it as a toy (to annoy any snobs in their "slow" cars ).

However, 4wd is for girls (thought you would know that by now ), which is why I have stuck with 2wd.

With regard to 420bhp, it is easily possible in a Cossie (but most claims are billy bullsh!t). My last one was that power (35psi to achieve it ) and my current engine is over 500bhp and over 400lb ft, but this costs £10k to achieve....
Mike R

Shaun

Mike,

What's 500bhp if you cant even use it PROPERLY!!!!!! I seen you on track!!!!

I am a no-***** driver, but EVEN I could beat you with 500bhp

Get your a$$ down Brunters and lets see how good you are at controlling it in HIGH speed manouvers

2WD might be for puffs.......but a knackered out Sierra Sapphire..... You could of bought a proper Cossie, like a 3 door or an .............. Escort Cossie!

Steve,
My sentiments exactly concerning Sam's figures........just couldnt be bothered to say it!

Sam,
...........get to a proper set of rollers matey. You have to remember I am running my second Rolling Road Shootout, and I have heard and seen the bull before. If a linked STI STRUGGLES to get that power...........

Mike Rainbird

Been there, seen it, done it (and got the video), where did you think I did my first 172mph run - Brunters is indeed awesome.

With regard to your ability out on track - we'll see... The bullsh!t stops when the flag drops.... I'm also karting at Daytona this Sunday.
LOL
Mike R

sunilp

Here we go again, PS this PE that......who gives a ****?. Has anyone still ever told me why PS is the gold standard and what the objective (not sheepishly subjective) benchmark is?

If Sam has a car that is significantly faster than before then good luck to him.

Steve, whats the point in blaggging about numbers when all you do with the power is use it to T-Bone London Buses .....you country bumpkins obviously cant handle a bit of traffic

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Craig H

Oh God,
Shaun and Mike there

Goldilocks and ?

Sam Elassar

steve,mike and shuan.

althought this is not what i intended this thread to be, however it is interesting nonetheless .

i am booked in PS to get the bump steer done on thursday 10:00am so if they have time i will get the car dyno'd just to settle this once and for all. i will be very disappointed if i get less than 270lb/ft of torque.

sam

any of you guys going to brands ?


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steve McCulloch

Mike - just read your post

500hp and 400lbs of torque for about £10k - now thats whats I call cheap - but surely u want it the other way around - now if I could get 400lbs torque on a Scooby for that amount I'd be well chuffed

Hmmmm lets think

Basic engine internals £7k ish
(ususual bits - Crank, pistons, cam follower set, this and that)
Link ECU plus mapping - £1k
Exhaust + fit, etc - £0.8k
Hybrid VF22 turbo + fit - £1.5k
Other crap like ait filters, dump valves, boost gauge, etc - £1k
Uprated clutch = fit - £0.7k

There I've already gone over £10k and the above wont give me 400lbs of torque - more like about 360-370lbs

Never mind eh!

Sam

For the record my care achieved much less than 270lbs with a VF22 turbo - but thats before we palyed with the ignition advance - a little faster now - but still a pitifully slow car

Stef

Shaun.
Yes, you're right! Get YOU'RE car on the track or strip, and we'll see what it can really do with ALL those horses galloping under the bonnet! Or should that be Shetland Ponies?

Stef.

steve McCulloch

Sunil

I was not blagging - just stating a fact - I never particularly blag about my car - how can I? its only a Scooby

London Buses should get out of my way - he pulled out right in front of me - from a junction - not a bus stop! - was going rather fast though at the time - so SHUT IT

Shaun

Stef,



Which address do you want me to send the wreath to, ay!

RichieC

Im of to Star Performance in the morning, hope to get a fair reading. Do we think they are pretty reliable figures? unlike PS and PE, even though these 2 are just as reliable (if you go back there).

Ill let you know what a 93 WRX with Downpipe, full magnex and Induction Kit makes

Richie

Shaun

Sam,

The talk between Mike and myself is just banter. You know "My things better than yours" syndrome!! ......but I still say theres no point in having something, if you cant use it ......so why have I got an Escort Cossie for.....Oh yes, powersliding at Bruntingthorpe

Richie and everyone,

***This is not meant to be an attack!!!!!

Who said that Powerstations Rollers are inaccurate????????

People seem to think that by sticking on a modified ECU, Link or otherwise will give MEGA power increases. Well I can tell U it wont.

Of course this has nothing to do with the basic head design and configuration of the engine....No cause it doesnt.

It also has nothing to do with the fact that getting past a TRUE 300bhp is abit of a brick wall (in money terms)....No cause it doesnt.

And of course the small fact that the only subarus that enter (that stick a butchers chance against anything else!!) the rallying scene (up to the level of John Felsteads team, cant remember what level it is?!) are ex-works cars, cause they CANT match the competiveness of ESCORT COSSIES without spending 100K!!!!!

I am not stating that Powerstations rollers are THE BEST in the world, but I bet ya, they are one of the most accurate ones out there! The only way to get a true figure is by having the car bench dynoed, but I bet the Powerstation figures arnt far off!

For some reason people dont seem to like low figures (even if they are more accurate!), thus stating that the rollers are cack!

As has been said before, BHP figures are for PUFFS Get your car on the track or strip, and lets find out what it can REALLY do

Shaun.

Mike Rainbird

Shaun,
The reason for a Sapphire is because the shell is a million miles more rigid than the three-door's hatch back can ever be, and if you put the same power engine in a Sapphire as in an Escort, the Sapphire will cane the Escort (which is as aerodynamic as a brick ).
LOL
Mike R

Mike Rainbird

Steve,
Harvey is very competitively priced - all the other major tuners want considerably more (GGR - £15k!). Besides, the Cossie engine does not need any special internals, they are all off the shelf, standard items. The only thing that is different is the ported head (£1k), cams (£300), low compression pistons (£430) and WRC tri-metallic head gasket (£300). The rest is standard RS500 stuff....

It made more than 500bhp and more than 400lb ft, but for present I want to keep quiet about the exact figures...
Regards
Mike R

dumpsonscoobs

why wont you tell the figures mike
Martin

Mike Rainbird

Martin,
Just playing the game...
LOL
Mike R