Gutmann pug

In evo magazine this month?

JGRIFF

Yes, read it just confirmed my worst fears, IM have lost the plot, and we've got a spec that has none of the things that made for that special driving experience

scoobytyson

Have read some of it,the scooby and the evo 320 posted the same time on the lap which can't be to bad

millband

Only subscribers have got the latest edition so far, the shops'll have it in a day or two...

It's in W H Smiths and all the usual outlets - it's a quality mag!

Steve

ScoobyNoob

If you still haven't found one checkout Tescos, got one last night from the local superstore

EVOLUTION

so how does the vectra do?


surely not in the same ball park?


john

Gutmann pug

Have a read and find out

Dracoro

Subscribe. 3 trial issues too + gift...

https://secure.widearea.co.uk/dennis...1/Opening.html

MikeWood

JGRIFF

Can I point out to you that IM (Subaru UK) DO NOT set the spec of the cars that come here. The constantly lobby very hard to get the best spec of cars that they can for their customers, but if Subaru in Japan either don't do it or can't get it homologated, it doesn't happen. It's not a conspiracy............

Mike

Sport160

Only read it last night, seems to show that the gap betwen the rally bread performance special, and the everyday performance version of a family car has closed.

However from reading the posts on scoobynet over the last few years, that doesn't come as any great shock, wonder if Ford will respond with a properly quick Mondeo ??

Steve vRS

I consider all the cars tested to be souped up family cars.

And yes I've owned two Imprezas in the past and viewed them as souped up family transport (even though one of them had two doors )

I've not read it yet, but the depreciation of the Vectra would put me off buying one new.

Steve

GazTheHat

And the depreciation of a new scoob doesn't? It's horrifying the amount people have lost on new scoobs recently...

finnie

Didn't read in any detail yet but looks like a good article. The scoob is a fast car alright but its not that much faster in real life. There are so many cars with huge torque out there now. I had a long (250 mile) drive a few months ago along some of the best a roads in the country. Behind me the whole way was a diesel passat. Everytime I overtook this passat was right with me! I had a MY99 impreza running about 240 bhp. Even full boost moves going to 6000rpm he was right behind me. Only once when clearing roadworks did I manage to put some space between us, even then he was back on my tail in 30 seconds.

Ok I wasn't going crazy at the wheel and scaring myself but I doubt he was either. I'm sure if I gritted my teeth I would have lost him.

My point is that cars these days are so easy to drive quickly, so many nannying features, wider tyres and stiffer suspension allow many many cars to keep up with the scoobs in most day to day situations where we are not driving like a loon and reaching and passing limits!

Not that EVO magazine drive like that

Karl 227

Oh deary deary me

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Yep, they pretty much what they said:if you were really trying, the scooby and evo could pull away from the pack, but when you're not, there's not much in it. I don't think they tested them in the wet though, where the AWD cars would have had an advantage.

Interesting that the scoob posted the same laptime as the FQ320 though, despite being over 40bhp down, and seemed to be the prefered engine in the test, even if the lack of a decent soundtrack was rightly lamented.

Here's to the PPP version!

MattOz

When Subaru make an Impreza that actually handles, then they'll beat the Evo. Until then, not a hope in hell. I'll take the 330i thanks.

Sport160

Steve, fair point, on consideration I agree. I think what I was trying to say was that in the early days of the classic there was a huge gap between an impreza and most hot/warm family cars that were available, now there isn't. The competion has moved on.

DazW

iTrader: (1)

VXR gets mullered @ Bedford tho' ....a 1.26.10 lap of the west circuit slots the EVO & STi inbetween a 996 Turbo & AM V8 Vantage!!!

Not surprised it can stay with them on 'normal' roads though ...you need a really big BHP/Ton difference there to make a difference

EVOLUTION

simple enough question wasnt it? seems as no one has posted what kind of damn vectra they were using.........


still cant find the mag at my local, so im really sorry for living out in the sticks, i will buy it at the weekend, seems a better decision than to ask for info on here lol


john

simo

VXR vectra & it's quite good

STI on sticky tyres, 320 evo on road tyres = same lap time. Evo on sticky & then bye bye STI

Now were are those rose tinted scooby specs

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

It was the new Vectra VXR mate

http://www.grimshaws.co.uk/vxr_vauxhall_cars.html

Ns04

Gutmann pug

I thought the Vectra did very well ....... Would destroy a wrx for sure

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

and a French clatterbox!

Ns04

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

I was hooning to work this morning as I do, when I stumbled across an 54plate WRX, he gives it the cocky look to the left and knowing smile as he goes for it, I give it foot to floor, bearing in mind this is from 45/50mph rolling start we are all but neck and neck at the roundabout 90mph at the three bar signage.

Im in my 2.0 16v mundano

Joescoobs74

Im in my 2.0 16v mundano [/quote]


Mundano? Is that a new super quick Ford then?

Gutmann pug

Cant get decent fuel in Pompey though peanuts and extremly warm (heat soak) he was also on his warm down lap (to work) and had a cracked brake disc .......

Good as the VXR is, I dont think I will be buying one ..... Mind you I wont be buying a scoob or EVO again either

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

I see my next car as being either a luxury executive saloon (2 years old so some other poor sap has the biggest hit on it!) or a cobra kit

sgcooby

STI with PPP and then mods to make total cost of cars the same then bye bye EVO. 280 v's 320 not a fair comparison really.

DazW

iTrader: (1)

For comparison the EVO 260 goes round in 1.31.05 on a damp track

MBK

I thought it was a fair article evo magazine have always been on the money for me.

The best quote is from the article 'both the Evo and Impreza have an extra level of point to point speed that you can access if you are prepared to throw caution to the wind. However you have to be extremely brutal to pull out much of a gap over the VXR...The BMW is never far behind either...'

And in my experience that is true on normal roads. For example on Scooby runs, fairly standard WRX's are never far behind lightly modded STi's and even the really hardcore stuff is only a few car lengths ahead.

On track its a different story - over 4 seconds quicker than the BMW and more than 5 over the VXR and that's in a 1.8 mile circuit. The Evo IX MR340 with the track biased tyres managed 1.24.55 (Just 1.55 seconds quicker than the STi/Evo MR320) on the same circuit in last month's Evo so hardly bye bye STi given the ŁK difference. I would like to see the time for a new 2.5 STi or JDM car with Powerstation Type 20 Spec and the track biased tyres, let alone a similar Spec C maybe that would be bye bye Evo?? Oh and the Evo is the 5th fastest car around Evo's track of choice and those above cost moon money or mean you have to get flies in your teeth and I doubt you could get a weeks shopping in all of them either :-)

The people I know who have driven the new 2.5 STi UK express the same disappointment as the article but there is no doubting its quick. Just proof there are many ways to go quickly now, you pay your money and take your choice!!