PhilBennett

I ask this question after the various threads on brake kits, Prodrive performance parts, etc, etc.

It strikes me that either performance suppliers like Prodrive must offer a range of items OR the customers must accept that you can't have a product that will stand thousands of miles on the road and a few hard ones on track.

It's dawned on me that the current situation is rediculous as suppliers defend their products and owners defend their driving.

Therefore is the current situation a result of un-realistic expectations from customers? (I can hear those keyboards already ) OR have those expectations been driven by the marketing bullsh1t put out by the suppliers?

Either way don't you think that we need to start being more realistic as owners and more honest as suppliers?

What do people think?

sickboy

Have you heard of Professor Frink on the Simpsons? ......

Craig H

I may be unrealistic, but if I spend £1500 on an AP 4 pot set up "the ultimate" (or nearly ) I don't expect to have ANY problems if I do regular track days. Assuming maintenance etc is in line with the amount of track days done. If I don't have them maintained and they fail, that's my tough luck.
Similarly with ECUs - when I get mine done it will be on the proviso that it is suitable for track day use and again, notwithstanding abuse, it causes no problems.

I think it's reasonable to expect that if you buy uprated components and don't go silly, then they will be as reliable, or more so for the purpose intended.

MorayMackenzie

Phil,

You seem to keep grinding this particular axe... I hope you aren't losing too much sleep over it. I am curious now, is there something you want to tell us, or maybe even sell us?


Moray

Stef

Phil.
Perhaps actually owning an Impreza would help?
Or do you?
Anyway, there are some customers who have got exactly what they want from their brakes thanks very much.

Stef (ready to look silly....)

Squizz

Howzabout standard brakes that begin to get stress fractures after 15,000 miles of "average" usage...

Hardly right, now is it?

Stephen Read

I agree that there is a risk of un-realistic expectations Phil.

It might be possible to 'over-engineer' a braking solution to make them bomb proof: how about a fully water cooled twin caliper 8-pot setup with disks from the Space Shuttle anyone?

In the development phase, or when funds permit it may be right to push equipment to and beyond it's limits but as a customer you must accept that it should be used according to the manufacturers recomendations and not beyond it's design limits. (Of course I am ignoring the situation regarding failures due to faulty manufacture / bad design here).

Isn't there is a famous quote which originates in motorsport: something along the lines that 'to finish first, first you must finish'. We must accept that a number of components require a certain degree of 'mechanical sympathy' to get the best out of them.

In any post race press conference you can hear the drivers relaying stories as to how they have had to nurse their cars home at the end of a race. Is there a warranty claim being drafted by the team accountant in the background as this takes place? (maybe sometimes!)

It may be good business sense to offer a full 'no quibbles' warranty when supplying uprated brakes as maybe less than 10% of customers will ever apporach these limits and the piece of mind provided will lead to more sales overall.

The thing is that in the age of the BBS, news travels fast and bad news spreads faster than good so it takes some skill to manage this in real time.

Let no one forget that everything must be paid for in the end by someone. We all know that part of the reason UK Scoobs cost more than imports is the fact that they come with a better warranty!

PhilBennett

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MorayMackenzie:
<B>Phil,

You seem to keep grinding this particular axe... I hope you aren't losing too much sleep over it. I am curious now, is there something you want to tell us, or maybe even sell us?


Moray[/quote]

Hmmm funny how this little jibe always comes back from some people

Do I lose any sleep over Impreza brakes? No.

Have I got anything to sell? No.

Why did I raise the brakes issue? I think it was someone recounting their braking failure that prompted - and other issues people have had.

Why do I post when I don't own an Impreza? Cos I like them I've thrashed a few and have a good general knowledge of track bias things. Plus my mates got a WRX.

Is that a problem or do I need to be a SIDC commitee member to have a range of oppinions - and is it possible to post in the future without people saying...what are you selling, blah, blah.

Change the record - if I had anything to sell then I'll tell you.

Cheers, Phil

BarryK

And I quote...

It's unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to pay too little. Whe you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot- it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
(John Ruskin 1819-1900).

The point being if you shell out the extra for a quality product, you should be treated with respect, not argued with like some ripped off punter.

But, oh dear, we live in the UK with it's "car boot sale" mentality towards everything.

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