WR1, 05 STi or wait for 06???
21 March 2005, 01:43 PM
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WR1, 05 STi or wait for 06???
wondered what peoples thoughts were as title.
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
21 March 2005, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by p1doc
wait till the 06 as otherwise you will just lose money
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There will always be a newer better one just around the corner.
If this is of great concern to you then really the only way forward is to get a used (say 6-12months old) car.
Alternatively just don't buy a subaru.
(but you'll be missing out)
21 March 2005, 03:27 PM
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With the expected face lift (good, bad, ugly...or whatever) if you wait for an MY06 at least people will know you've got the 'new' model - if that bothers you 
The more appealing factor for me is that a UK model MY06 may be available with a 2.5 litre lump. IMHO a significant difference from all past models, whether limited editions or not
The more appealing factor for me is that a UK model MY06 may be available with a 2.5 litre lump. IMHO a significant difference from all past models, whether limited editions or not
21 March 2005, 04:21 PM
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special editions usually hold there resale value better 22B p1 but the latest scoob will have more development the wr1 is a top drive. is the new sti going to have 320bhp or more ?
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21 March 2005, 05:12 PM
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There will *always* be a better impreza coming out next year... It's what car manufacturers do. Neither will avoid you being shafted - just ask P1 owners, UK 300 owners, STI v7 Type UK owners, sti v8 type UK owners...
21 March 2005, 06:28 PM
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(Flak jacket on) As a WR1 owner I can definitely recommend the car. (Flak jacket off.
You can pick them up for around £27k now. Whether you would notice the extra 15 Bhp on the road over an MY05 STi+ppp I wouldn't know. But as you say, the residuals should be marginally better due to limited numbers.
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You can pick them up for around £27k now. Whether you would notice the extra 15 Bhp on the road over an MY05 STi+ppp I wouldn't know. But as you say, the residuals should be marginally better due to limited numbers.
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21 March 2005, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by p1doc
allegedly the 06 model may have twinscoll turbo/350bhp ppp/2.5 l engine-any of which are worth waiting for
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21 March 2005, 06:57 PM
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i'd wait............
Originally Posted by Andy-pay
wondered what peoples thoughts were as title.
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
21 March 2005, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cat7
until the my10 then you can be sure your getting the right car. Jeeez man just get and enjoy....lifes to short
anyway, back to the point.......
its the 2.5L I think that sounds appealing, particularly having had an 03STi PPP, the extra oomph is probably worth waiting for, all told.
Just not sure I can wait really, being an impatient bug9er.
21 March 2005, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GrollySTI
Alternatively just don't buy a subaru.(but you'll be missing out)
Unfortunate fact is that any new car (with VERY few exceptions) will depreciate. How do you get round it? You don't. Second hand cars will depreciate less, if you're keeping them for 3 years, IMHO new Euro imports will also depreciate a bit less than new UK cars.
Several people have found the WR1 and the STi PPP a bit "flat" at lower rpm. IF the new car is a 2.5, it won't suffer from that, the benefits of the higher torque with improved delivery should not be under-estimated. If not, the next best thing is a twin scroll car - e.g. Spec C.
Something else worth noting (slightly perversely). The WR1 is often actually cheaper to insure than a standard STi, which in turn can often be cheaper than a standard WRX. Add a PPP to the STi/WRX, you'll get stung on insurance for modifying it. With the WR1, it comes tuned "out of the box", so you don't get stung for mods - therefore it is almost always significantly cheaper/easier to insure than an STi PPP, despite more power etc.
21 March 2005, 07:50 PM
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I would say wait for the new one too. The new model isnt just a change as per the new 05 is on the 04 or blob on bug its a change to a new shape as per classic to bug eye/ blob. I bet once the new shape comes out there will inevitably improvements to areas and special models but enhancement to a model arent as big a difference to price as the change of shape.
Why did some people not buy a classic with the bhp of bug eye sti, when there was less than a year of the classics' life left?
The joy of having something totally new etc.
I am planning to go for the new one as the power attracts me and the on going handling performance too. I love b road driving, the way it clings to the road and the sound are reasons i plan to stay with subaru over the possible equivalents such as ford or mitsu. The look of the new one may be questionable, but until its finalised, there is no point arguing over it, but if it handles better than the 05/ spec C with more power i will be happy.
Can you wait for pretty much a year without a scooby is the question.
Why did some people not buy a classic with the bhp of bug eye sti, when there was less than a year of the classics' life left?
The joy of having something totally new etc.
I am planning to go for the new one as the power attracts me and the on going handling performance too. I love b road driving, the way it clings to the road and the sound are reasons i plan to stay with subaru over the possible equivalents such as ford or mitsu. The look of the new one may be questionable, but until its finalised, there is no point arguing over it, but if it handles better than the 05/ spec C with more power i will be happy.
Can you wait for pretty much a year without a scooby is the question.
22 March 2005, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hades
I hadn't realised that we were unique and all other brands don't depreciate.
Unfortunate fact is that any new car (with VERY few exceptions) will depreciate.
Unfortunate fact is that any new car (with VERY few exceptions) will depreciate.
22 March 2005, 11:02 AM
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As said above, development means there will always be a better Impreza around the corner.
What you do depends entirely on your circumstances and taste though. Stis from '03 are great fun, as is the WR1, but it might be prudent to wait for the first official sightings of the new model before making a decision.
There are loads of stories about the 2.5 being put into the '06, and just as many different projected power figures. However, one things people haven't seemed to have gone into in any depth is what it'll look like. If it's stunning, and has the 2.5, I suspect current model prices will take a dive, making the '05 cars very affordable, but also making any sort of discount on an '06 impossible to find. On the other hand, if they haven't learned from the bugeye fiasco, and it's an eyesore, then you'd be better off picking up an '05, which in turn will suddenly become very sought after, like the 'classic' model did.
Personally, I've never really understood why people wait if they like the current model, as there'll always be a new and improved model 6 months after you by a new car, but I apreciate that it's a very difficult decision to make.
I'm afraid you simply have to be prepared to have the courage of your convictions, make a decision one way or the other and stick to it.
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What you do depends entirely on your circumstances and taste though. Stis from '03 are great fun, as is the WR1, but it might be prudent to wait for the first official sightings of the new model before making a decision.
There are loads of stories about the 2.5 being put into the '06, and just as many different projected power figures. However, one things people haven't seemed to have gone into in any depth is what it'll look like. If it's stunning, and has the 2.5, I suspect current model prices will take a dive, making the '05 cars very affordable, but also making any sort of discount on an '06 impossible to find. On the other hand, if they haven't learned from the bugeye fiasco, and it's an eyesore, then you'd be better off picking up an '05, which in turn will suddenly become very sought after, like the 'classic' model did.
Personally, I've never really understood why people wait if they like the current model, as there'll always be a new and improved model 6 months after you by a new car, but I apreciate that it's a very difficult decision to make.
I'm afraid you simply have to be prepared to have the courage of your convictions, make a decision one way or the other and stick to it.
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22 March 2005, 11:15 AM
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the my06 looks like a pig. I bought an my05 sti ppp because the DCCD is a must, turns the scoob into a true evo hunter, forget those people who say you never use it! it does the work for you if you don t fancy it! add that to possibly the last of the woofly uk spec engines and you have one of the classics of the line
Originally Posted by Andy-pay
wondered what peoples thoughts were as title.
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
desperate to get back to scooby ownership, but with all the talk of a new model around the corner, Ive been put off purchasing an 05 STi at the mo, due to potential residual value horror stories, and having a new car outdated within less than 12 months.
a WR1 has a certain appeal, due to the limited status, which would hopefully hold its value slightly better than an 05 STi (plus it comes ready fitted with the right bits).
the thought of buying an 05 now, only to shed money when a new model appears, is a big put off.
I know everyone says dont buy a new car if youre worried about losing money etc, but I want a new car, just want to limit the pain.
oh, have also seen new STis with big money knocked off at dealers.
any thoughts??
22 March 2005, 08:28 PM
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yeah, of course Im gonna loose money buying a new car, I did when I bought the MY03 STi, but at the time it was a'brand new' shape just out, so was worth it. change in circumstances forced me to get rid, but an upturn means im on the lookout again.
its just frustrating knowing theres a new model around the corner - no one wants to buy a car they know is gonna be outdated in less than 12 months, really.
its just frustrating knowing theres a new model around the corner - no one wants to buy a car they know is gonna be outdated in less than 12 months, really.
22 March 2005, 10:00 PM
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If you like the look of the 05 mate then buy it.
You want something with a bit more umph then there is always the Spec C.
2.5 is appealing thats why so many of us are sticking it in our scoobs! But to be honest if the 06 does look like the photoshops I will be keeping my STi8 for a lot longer. I would personaly never buy a 01-02 bug eye! Just my opinion and choice!
When all said and done I still realy like the STi5's.
Buy a private plate and just buy the car that gives you a "lazy lob"
2.5 or no 2.5 I couldnt drive around in a butt ugly car
You want something with a bit more umph then there is always the Spec C.
2.5 is appealing thats why so many of us are sticking it in our scoobs! But to be honest if the 06 does look like the photoshops I will be keeping my STi8 for a lot longer. I would personaly never buy a 01-02 bug eye! Just my opinion and choice!
When all said and done I still realy like the STi5's.
Buy a private plate and just buy the car that gives you a "lazy lob"
2.5 or no 2.5 I couldnt drive around in a butt ugly car
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None of the '06 doctored images have any credibility at all IMHO.
Personally I think the '05 car looks great, so I bought one - a JDM model with the twin scroll turbo and the advanced engine that has VVT on all four camshafts. I plan to keep it at least as long as I did my last scooby (4+ yrs), so depreciation doesn't really bother me that much.
Subaru has a history of releasing newer and better Imprezas all the time, so there will never be a 'right' time to buy. The '06 car might be great, but then there will be the '06 special edition that you have to buy if you want PPP, then the '06 strangely-coloured-with-nice-wheels version, then the '07 with a different spoiler/lights/suspension/interior, then the '07 ultra-limited-edition JDM model with extra cup holders and a sports ECU... all of which are just around the corner and possibly worth waiting for.
Personally I think the '05 car looks great, so I bought one - a JDM model with the twin scroll turbo and the advanced engine that has VVT on all four camshafts. I plan to keep it at least as long as I did my last scooby (4+ yrs), so depreciation doesn't really bother me that much.
Subaru has a history of releasing newer and better Imprezas all the time, so there will never be a 'right' time to buy. The '06 car might be great, but then there will be the '06 special edition that you have to buy if you want PPP, then the '06 strangely-coloured-with-nice-wheels version, then the '07 with a different spoiler/lights/suspension/interior, then the '07 ultra-limited-edition JDM model with extra cup holders and a sports ECU... all of which are just around the corner and possibly worth waiting for.
23 March 2005, 08:02 AM
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Totally agree with Andy, there is always a better model around the corner. That's how Subaru keep selling more cars, they can't afford to only bring out a new version every 3 years. If everyone held onto their cars for longer then second hand residuals would be miles better. The problem is that everyone wants the latest bells and whistles, so Subaru will always oblige.
23 March 2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
None of the '06 doctored images have any credibility at all IMHO.
Personally I think the '05 car looks great, so I bought one - a JDM model with the twin scroll turbo and the advanced engine that has VVT on all four camshafts. I plan to keep it at least as long as I did my last scooby (4+ yrs), so depreciation doesn't really bother me that much.
Subaru has a history of releasing newer and better Imprezas all the time, so there will never be a 'right' time to buy. The '06 car might be great, but then there will be the '06 special edition that you have to buy if you want PPP, then the '06 strangely-coloured-with-nice-wheels version, then the '07 with a different spoiler/lights/suspension/interior, then the '07 ultra-limited-edition JDM model with extra cup holders and a sports ECU... all of which are just around the corner and possibly worth waiting for.
Personally I think the '05 car looks great, so I bought one - a JDM model with the twin scroll turbo and the advanced engine that has VVT on all four camshafts. I plan to keep it at least as long as I did my last scooby (4+ yrs), so depreciation doesn't really bother me that much.
Subaru has a history of releasing newer and better Imprezas all the time, so there will never be a 'right' time to buy. The '06 car might be great, but then there will be the '06 special edition that you have to buy if you want PPP, then the '06 strangely-coloured-with-nice-wheels version, then the '07 with a different spoiler/lights/suspension/interior, then the '07 ultra-limited-edition JDM model with extra cup holders and a sports ECU... all of which are just around the corner and possibly worth waiting for.
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23 March 2005, 03:57 PM
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WR1, 05 STi or wait for 06???
And in a years time you will be in the same position saying "06 now or wait for 07"
If you like a WR1 or 05 STI then get one now and enjoy.
And in a years time you will be in the same position saying "06 now or wait for 07"
If you like a WR1 or 05 STI then get one now and enjoy.
23 March 2005, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by WR1 Ant
WR1, 05 STi or wait for 06???
And in a years time you will be in the same position saying "06 now or wait for 07"
If you like a WR1 or 05 STI then get one now and enjoy.
And in a years time you will be in the same position saying "06 now or wait for 07"
If you like a WR1 or 05 STI then get one now and enjoy.
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23 March 2005, 05:28 PM
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personally I would wait until the 2006 model.
of course they are constantly improving the car, but the leap from 2.0 to 2.5 is a bigger than usual improvement to a fundamental part of the vehicle.
of course they are constantly improving the car, but the leap from 2.0 to 2.5 is a bigger than usual improvement to a fundamental part of the vehicle.
23 March 2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Edcase
personally I would wait until the 2006 model.
of course they are constantly improving the car, but the leap from 2.0 to 2.5 is a bigger than usual improvement to a fundamental part of the vehicle.
of course they are constantly improving the car, but the leap from 2.0 to 2.5 is a bigger than usual improvement to a fundamental part of the vehicle.
constant updates are to be expected - this though could outdate an 05 v.quick. ie new shape AND potential 2.5 engine.
I certainly wouldnt have bought a new STi in October 02, knowing a new 03 shape was around the corner. all this talk of new shapes/engines just pts me off at the mo.
good to see other peoples views though.
