Type 25 In Autocar
27 July 2004, 04:09 PM
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Type 25 In Autocar
Well, surprised that no other thread seems to have appeared on this topic....
Iain's Type 25 gains second spot in Autocar's Britain's Best Driver's Car feature....
For the record, the Noble M400 wins.
The Evo VIII MR FQ-340 is fifth.
And the M3 CSL is ninth.
Lap times round Brands Hatch?
M3 CSL 54.75 secs
Evo FQ 340 56.4 secs
Type 25 55.5 secs
Noble M400 52.6 secs
Iain's Type 25 gains second spot in Autocar's Britain's Best Driver's Car feature....
For the record, the Noble M400 wins.
The Evo VIII MR FQ-340 is fifth.
And the M3 CSL is ninth.
Lap times round Brands Hatch?
M3 CSL 54.75 secs
Evo FQ 340 56.4 secs
Type 25 55.5 secs
Noble M400 52.6 secs
27 July 2004, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Trucker Ted
The clio was obviously towing the Noble
but it was only slightly Modded, Towbar
Tony
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27 July 2004, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Daz34
How did the Clio do??
A p1ss poor 60.0 sec lap.... Came 13th in the rankings overall.
'Course, it was only lightly modded....
28 July 2004, 01:38 AM
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These mags crack me up. One minute a car is great the next its rubbish. Take it all as lightly as possible guys. Next week the smart car will get a 45second lap time and win hands down cos its so light, lmao
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28 July 2004, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyl3cook
what's the deal with the type25? is it a 2.5 litre?
Yep its 2.5,different suspension,exhaust,remapped,etc loads of difference from the STI10 on which its based...
28 July 2004, 11:35 AM
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I thought a standard Spec C was quicker than an M3 CSL? how come the "more powerful" T25 was slower?
Im not having a go......just i remember that artical that is always passed about with the CSL, spec C and GT3 in it.....
just curious.
Im not having a go......just i remember that artical that is always passed about with the CSL, spec C and GT3 in it.....
just curious.
28 July 2004, 12:12 PM
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In that test the M3 CSL was 0.35 seconds quicker around bedford Autodrome than the Spec C so no it wasnt quicker around the track and that was with a normal driver putting the cars through their paces wheras in the Autocar article all cars were timed whilst being driven by the touring car driver.
28 July 2004, 12:25 PM
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Not sure, but I'm not in control of Subaru's Press cars!
Iain has a good relationship with Autocar as he accompanies his cars on every test, that's perhaps why he was asked to take his car along and keep an eye on it.
Look out for Rally XS next week to see what Chris Harris thinks of the WR1
Mike
Iain has a good relationship with Autocar as he accompanies his cars on every test, that's perhaps why he was asked to take his car along and keep an eye on it.
Look out for Rally XS next week to see what Chris Harris thinks of the WR1
Mike
28 July 2004, 12:38 PM
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Based on what criteria? Road? Track?
What version of SpecC? As it leaves Japan, the version with the normal 'comfort' items or the spec that Litchfield sells or the spec that the Press drive?
Is an Official Importer/Manufacturer warranty important or is is just how fast it is in a straight line when you abuse the transmission?
Too big a question to answer in one line really but I know what I would want and we've got two of them..... as well as some of the others
Mike
What version of SpecC? As it leaves Japan, the version with the normal 'comfort' items or the spec that Litchfield sells or the spec that the Press drive?
Is an Official Importer/Manufacturer warranty important or is is just how fast it is in a straight line when you abuse the transmission?
Too big a question to answer in one line really but I know what I would want and we've got two of them.....
as well as some of the others Mike
28 July 2004, 12:42 PM
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More tellingly mike, do you think there is a bigger market for the kind of car Litcho is producing with the T25?
Is it the sort of car you would like to be producing, taking away the restraints of IM / commercial reality?
Surely its only a matter of time before the Impreza (in whatever form it lives on in after 06/07) comes in the 2.5 litre guise with an ATD-style system anyway?
Is it the sort of car you would like to be producing, taking away the restraints of IM / commercial reality?
Surely its only a matter of time before the Impreza (in whatever form it lives on in after 06/07) comes in the 2.5 litre guise with an ATD-style system anyway?
28 July 2004, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Neilo
I thought a standard Spec C was quicker than an M3 CSL? how come the "more powerful" T25 was slower?
Im not having a go......just i remember that artical that is always passed about with the CSL, spec C and GT3 in it.....
just curious.
Im not having a go......just i remember that artical that is always passed about with the CSL, spec C and GT3 in it.....
just curious.
£60k for CSL and £20 odd for a Spec C!
CSL does sound awesome though, nice movie of CSL around the ring on fastdrive! Here is some times at Bedford autodrome in back of Evo.
Radical SR3 1.16.45
Porsche GT3 1.19.40
BMW M3 CSL 1.19.95
Spec C 1.20.30
Evo VIII FQ300 1.21.90
TVR T350C 1.22.65
and middle of the list
*Unmoddified*
Clio V6 255 1.24.15Rarri 575M Fiorano 1.24.55
STI PPP 1.25.15
And six from the bottom:
Pug 106 GTI 1.30.95 (not bad for an aging hot hatch, I say, I say not three bad for an aging hot hatch). I bet it cocked up it's back leg aroudn the corners too Mr. Clarkeson!
To conclude the Radical kicks ****
Spec C slightly slower than CSL but not much, not much for £40k difference in price for sure!
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28 July 2004, 01:23 PM
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Called Mike and all sorted now
The confusion comes from the perception that the JDM cars have 330bhp as standard. As I have said in numerous threads before when I have tested std (fresh of the boat) JDM STI or Spec Cs at Powerstation they have made around 285-290bhp and similar torque. We however remap all our MY03+ JDM cars and this brings their power to around 300bhp at Powerstation & 325 bhp at PE (not to say either one are more accurate). With the Milltek exhaust system we will see between 315-325bhp at Powerstation (depending on Mileage etc etc) but have not tested a car at PE yet.
All of the magazine articles mention that the car is remapped and has our Milltek sports exhaust fitted and most customers go for this option as well. I think people see the fiqures in print and presume that all cars are the same.
I hope the makes some sence
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The confusion comes from the perception that the JDM cars have 330bhp as standard. As I have said in numerous threads before when I have tested std (fresh of the boat) JDM STI or Spec Cs at Powerstation they have made around 285-290bhp and similar torque. We however remap all our MY03+ JDM cars and this brings their power to around 300bhp at Powerstation & 325 bhp at PE (not to say either one are more accurate). With the Milltek exhaust system we will see between 315-325bhp at Powerstation (depending on Mileage etc etc) but have not tested a car at PE yet.
All of the magazine articles mention that the car is remapped and has our Milltek sports exhaust fitted and most customers go for this option as well. I think people see the fiqures in print and presume that all cars are the same.
I hope the makes some sence
Iain
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28 July 2004, 01:29 PM
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seems to me like theres some sour grapes going around at the moment and frankly I can see why.... everytime I read or see anything about the wr1 it seems that it contradicts especially the timings we have been told.
For everyones sake I hope that Prodrive get an invite to one of these testing days to finally prove exactly what the car can do.
Iain lit has proved it time and time again as far as i'm concerned fair play to iain for attending and backing the product he sells up.
I just don't understand why Prodrive don't get invited???
For everyones sake I hope that Prodrive get an invite to one of these testing days to finally prove exactly what the car can do.
Iain lit has proved it time and time again as far as i'm concerned fair play to iain for attending and backing the product he sells up.
I just don't understand why Prodrive don't get invited???
28 July 2004, 01:37 PM
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If you ever need an assistant Iian, I am sure i could find space in my diary
Well done with Type 25 - sterling effort, some excellent PR as well!
Well done with Type 25 - sterling effort, some excellent PR as well!
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29 July 2004, 12:21 PM
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having driven a spec c,wr1 and t25 i know which one i would drive-t25
the wr1 was nice but not as fast or as smooth as t25 which pulls from 1500rpm!! with the wr1 not having good enough overtaking ability compared to my car or the t25 but as i am sure people will point out it is probably the best prodrive could do due to IM limitations etc but the t25 must hold the subaru crown
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the wr1 was nice but not as fast or as smooth as t25 which pulls from 1500rpm!! with the wr1 not having good enough overtaking ability compared to my car or the t25 but as i am sure people will point out it is probably the best prodrive could do due to IM limitations etc but the t25 must hold the subaru crown
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29 July 2004, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by p1doc
the t25 must hold the subaru crown
29 July 2004, 12:53 PM
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If you want a REALLY quick Impreza, buy a MY00 Classic (16% lighter) for under £10k and stick a 2.5 US block in it, sort the brakes and suspension, and help yourself to more bhp-per-ton than a 911 turbo. There will be a few of these cars rolling around soon, including mine
Okay, it's not quite that simple but it's not that hard, either. If you fancy a go, new 2.5 US short motors can be had for around £1,400 all-in. See the Group Buy forum.
Richard.
Okay, it's not quite that simple but it's not that hard, either. If you fancy a go, new 2.5 US short motors can be had for around £1,400 all-in. See the Group Buy forum.
Richard.
29 July 2004, 01:21 PM
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In no way am I saying that Iain has done anything that is remotely dishonest, just the opposite.
All the tests that have featured his cars accurately list the spec and state that he remaps the cars and in most cases thay have a different exhaust fitted, hence the 325/335 or whatever bhp that is quoted. He is more than upfront about this.
Where it all falls down is the people read the article and assume that ALL SpecC's have this power output when the reality is very close to the figures quoted by Subaru themselves.
Having driven several JDM cars recently I can tell you that they are a lot less than optimal if they are still running the std JDM calibration as it just doesn't work on our fuel and you would be seriously disappointed with the engine if you jumped in a std SpecC or STi expecting it to feel like it has 335bhp.
Mike
In no way am I saying that Iain has done anything that is remotely dishonest, just the opposite.
All the tests that have featured his cars accurately list the spec and state that he remaps the cars and in most cases thay have a different exhaust fitted, hence the 325/335 or whatever bhp that is quoted. He is more than upfront about this.
Where it all falls down is the people read the article and assume that ALL SpecC's have this power output when the reality is very close to the figures quoted by Subaru themselves.
Having driven several JDM cars recently I can tell you that they are a lot less than optimal if they are still running the std JDM calibration as it just doesn't work on our fuel and you would be seriously disappointed with the engine if you jumped in a std SpecC or STi expecting it to feel like it has 335bhp.
Mike