ex-webby

Hi All

Following the deletion of the earlier thread (which simply got a little out of hand) please use this thread to discuss the TSL 333 system.

But. Please read these points very carefully prior to replying, and any comments indicating that these have not been read will be removed without explanation.

1) The installation being discussed in the previous thread was NOT a 333 conversion. So any comments such as "he didn't get 333 BHP, so therefore it's false advertising" are irrelevant. It would be the same as saying "I bought a new fridge and I can't get Sky News on it."

2) TSL has an excellent reputation for customer service and satisfaction, and I would personally not be happy with seeing this defamed in any way. They deserve more respect than that.

3) Please keep all comments non-confrontational / offensive and factual and this thread can run as long as you want to.

4) To make it clear. This thread is not to discuss the reasons for the removal of the previous thread, or any other scoobynet policy. There is a sticky thread in general relating to this issue, and there is the scoobynet policy forum for general matters.

All the best, and thanks for everyone's support.

Simon

Jolley

Could I also widen that out to anyone that has had a remap done at TSL on a UK spec MY03 WRX.

I have had a group N Backbox fitted by them, and was thinking of going for a replacement centre section and an upgraded filter element. The next step would then be a remap. I wondered if anyone has already gone down this route, and what their opinion is.

(Fortunately no figures are quoted on the website for the WRX!! !)

johnfelstead

PMSL at that analogy.

Point 2, You cant say that Simon, they deserve no more respect than any other vendor. Tell people to keep to facts by all means but you are telling people they cant say anything negative, which is wrong. I know of instances of good and bad service and goods at TSL, just like with every other vendor/specialists out there, so lets keep this open and honest debate without any handcuffs as long as things are factual.

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

What's this Forum coming to when you cant state your own opinion's,

so you cant reply to a thread in case you upset someone "b**ls**t

john coffey

Has anyone noticed the Triple 3 "pop up window" you now get when viewing the TSL homepage?
Is it my imagination or has this happened since that other thread started.
I can't see what all the fuss is about, I mean it's not like this is real life is it....

ex-webby

scoobchrissy

Calm down, for goodness sake. We have not said anywhere that you can't state your own opinions. I have no idea where that has come from.

John, agreed, but they also deserve no LESS respect than any other supplier. If my post suggests that you can't say anything negative, that was not intentional, and I apologise.

Can I just ask that we keep things respectful and legal. Most of the previous thread was based on the "fridge and sky news" mis-understanding, which was the reason for many comments. I've opened this discussion up again, so feel free to discuss it.

All the best

Simon

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

Sorry if i said the wrong thing, but it sounded like you could'nt say anything wrong about TSL or any other company!!!!!

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

was at TSL today getting my car mapped and all i can say is the service is excellent and everyone is friendly not too sure what my bhp/lbs figures are but im not that bothered, most garages chase you out of the working area but they keep dragging you in to show you what is going on

markwild

In an attempt to answer the questions originally posed:

I personally haven't had a remap at TSL - However, I certainly do know that I asked for views as to power increase when I was considering a decat downpipe (bear with me here...). Lots of SN members advised (without RR figures) that the increase was a good one.

Having had it done, I now find myself giving the same recommendation to others.

2 weeks ago, I had a remap at PE - since my car is a 98, I needed the PE daughter board on the ECU. I'm impressed - again, forget the RR (its a mapping device! ) On the road the car is MUCH better -

SO :

Jolley, I'm sure someone with an O3 can answer your question, but on the earlier car, the centre section change didn't make that much difference on the road - I'm not sure if you need a remap for backbox/centre/air-filter - I wonder if you should go D/P first ?

Any New-age'rs out there ?

Steve(bt), what MY and mods do you have ?
Cheers,

Mark

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

mine is a 99 and has about everymod you can think of apart from injectors and engine internals etc, they seem to think its one of the quickest standard form uk car they have drove,i wouldnt know a my car is the only impreza i have ever driven but they put a lot of effort into mapping the car todayonce the snow dissappears i'll have some fun with the car and see what its like

johnfelstead

It did sound that way Simon, but thanks for clearing that up.

wanted

I'm not making any judgements but I know of at least 2 other people that TSL have said this too

MTR

If this thread is replacing the Wakeboarder post re the TSL 333 on an STi8 (MY 03STi uk) then my response to Wakeboarder is this.

Before you consider any after market tuning companies products for your BRAND NEW FULLY WARRANTIED £25,000 STi, have you tried a PPP sti with 300 ish BHP.

I have one, (STi7 MY02STi) and it drives and pulls like a train.
I personally would not like to risk the loss of warranty for a claimed marginal increase in power over a Prodrive supplied and Subaru fitted and warrantied kit.

The costs of either are not that dis-similar, given that on the std car (ie no PPP already fitted) TSL would obviously need to change the Downpipe cat, the centre section cat, the back box, the fuel pump, and the ECU.
If that is the case then the cost saving will not be that graet, but the resale value of your car any time up to 5 years old, I would expect to be less.

The Subaru warranty can be extended from 3 to 5 years on a std car, or one with PPP, that would not be the case with a TSL or any other 'tuning companies' products.

I have seen P1's and STi7's with wrecked engines, requiring extremely expensive rebuilds, £0000's.
They were both fixed under warranty.

They are not bomb proof. Nothing mechanical can ever be 100% guaranteed from failure (I work in the Aerosoace industry and we strive at all times for that. At 35,000 feet the customer kind of expects it).

But if you have the safety net of the Subaru dealer network warranty, it may help you sleep a little easier should your 300 bhp car start to make a 'funny' noise.

I also know of a chap whos Evo VIII FQ300 had just gone bang, requiring a brand new engine after 2000 miles!!!.

A great many people on here, are learning the hard way that if you keep turning up the wick, a bit more boost here, a little more fuel there, a touch of ignition advance and !!! What was that big bang? Your engine letting go.

They and you can sit and waffle about fuel injector duty cycles, boost pressures, remaps, rolling roads and power figures till your blue in the face, but I don't believe ANY of the specialists except Prodrive guarantee the complete vehicle after their work.

You pays your money.

Cheers
MTR

BL

Put it this way guys.

I tried the PPP STI8 and it was superb. However, the TEK3 is even better.
Trus me

All i can say is i got mine done from a very respectiful man. This is a Tek 3 STI8 with full decat, induction kit, dump valve and a few other bits. On one roll i got 358 BHP woth 340ib of torque when on another day at the same roller got 336BHP with 328IB torque.

Immediately you can see differences and i was baffled. The guy at the rollers said it is down to 3 things:

Temperature: Car
Area

Car: Whether it has been warmed up too long or too little

Person doing the roll

Let me put it this way, i got it done a few days before TSL announced the 333. Therefore, if i would have known, i would have taken TSL into consideration as i have had many good dealings with them on my previous bugeye plus they have a very professional manner.

To conclude, the people who are considering getting the TSL 333. Do not judge them by these posts provided. All I can say is give the demo car a go and it will put a smile on your face. At the end of the day i was told my car was about 325BHP when mapped!!!!!!!! The advantage of having TEK3 over PPP is that acceleration is much much smoother and more economical on fuel, although it still goes through fuel like no tomorrow. But who care, i love it

wakeboardar

I should add that I had number of private messages after my first TSL333 thread all praising the merits of the 333 package.

Shame we lost the thread it was a good debate not only of TSL but of adding more hp through mapping allround.

Gutmann pug

Trouble is guys not all of us own UK cars so PPP just isnt an option (without travelling to european country of origin for fitment) . Therefore we decide to do our tuning by going to reputable after market tuners such as TSL.

As said before I have the 333 re-map and fuel pump upgrade, combined with my own de-cat and green panel filter and im more than happy with it in my MY03

Dazza's-STi

let me just add, if you have a non euk car then TSL seem a really good outfit, I've met them and there could'nt be a better bunch...

And would seem the obviouse choice to release the power the STi was designed 4...

scooby-si

think u better rewrite that 1 it should say i bought a tv and cannt get sky news on it, not a dam fridge lol

markwild

Scooby-si - Don't go there mate ! - Trust me - Simon has quoted correctly, for reasons that cannot be explained

Mail me, off BBS if you'd like more detail, if you didn't see the original and I will explain -

Simon, Let me know if this causes you any probs....

Mark

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

If people actually read the advert about this map it states at the bottom that power may vary from car to car.
Myself though, not having a uk/euro sti id do something different, a TEK3 would be a better option as my turbo is bigger than that of the uk/euro cars so can flow better
But i think that Mike Wood said it all when saying about the PPP, "if you flow over what the turbo can handle you will wear the turbo quicker and cause more heat in the process" (or something similar to that). i believe that more heat causes det, something you dont really want on a car, and to achieve 333bhp and 333lbs of torque depends on what turbo your car is fitted with.

Tony

ex-webby

scooby-si

The person in question did not buy a 333.

So saying that he didn't get 333BHP is irrelevant, as he didn't buy that. That was the reason for he fridge analogy.

Cheers

Simon

Gutmann pug

Just been having a quick flick through a jap performance car mag and there are other tuners out there quoting similar ,.....

340BHP including re-map and their exhaust to quote but one ...... no names mentioned .......

Tandy

Had my MY02 mapped by them a couple of weeks ago, I don't know what the horsepower is they said they had to be fairly conservative because of the uppipe cat and plastic intercooler hoses.

I had a prodrive (ppp) backbox already they replaced the centre section and airfilter then remapped the change in the car is amazing. They thought prior to the remap they would get around 255bhp trust me it seems a lot more.

I asked for advice and although they knew I could afford more than I spent they told me the pros and cons and we agreed that I could get what I wanted for what I spent (£1000.00)

I did mention to them that I had seen/sensed some bad vibes on scoobynet from some people which was pretty much shrugged off but then what could they reply?

I found them to be a very friendly bunch! I met several customers that were returning from far and wide as were happy with previous work, they found a major defect in my brakes which the main agents missed (and they should of been looking during service)

I will be going back.

Tandy

fuz

i have had alot of fun making my01 wrx 326bhp/321ibs/ft by making my own choice of parts and carrying out some of the work myself on a small budget

Gutmann pug

Its nice to see another happy TSL customer ...... in fact I have yet to hear from an un-happy one ...... keep up the good work fella's .... oh and ladies of course ....oh and Hazel from the cafe

p1doc

well i am still happy with my remap
martin

Edcase

They didn't even send me a birthday card

ex-webby

Well done guys.

People are much more likely to take the time to complain than they are to take the time to give positive feedback. This is why I often think that one good review, carries the same weight as 10 bad ones.

The fact that TSL don't seem to get bad reviews at all, must surely be a good sign

All the best

Simon

Edcase

Did I mention that Graham bit my leg once?

In full view of the staff and customers.

And Paul always tries to get me to go into the 'stock room' with him!

Re-Bitten Hero

I like TSL too