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From: CHIPP'N HAM
My Eu MY03 STI had a Tek 3 re-map by powerstation a couple of months ago now, power was a little down on the 300bhp target, with the reason being I am not running a full de-cat (just d-pipe and prodrive BB conversion).
But the car feels so quick now, and I've gained 10-20 miles out of a tank simply because I am not thrashing the nuts out of the car, due to the increased torque... anyone thinking of having a re-map, by any of the aftermarket firms I would strongly recomend!! Money well spent.
But the car feels so quick now, and I've gained 10-20 miles out of a tank simply because I am not thrashing the nuts out of the car, due to the increased torque... anyone thinking of having a re-map, by any of the aftermarket firms I would strongly recomend!! Money well spent.
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Originally Posted by MTR
If this thread is replacing the Wakeboarder post re the TSL 333 on an STi8 (MY 03STi uk) then my response to Wakeboarder is this.
Before you consider any after market tuning companies products for your BRAND NEW FULLY WARRANTIED £25,000 STi, have you tried a PPP sti with 300 ish BHP.
I have one, (STi7 MY02STi) and it drives and pulls like a train.
I personally would not like to risk the loss of warranty for a claimed marginal increase in power over a Prodrive supplied and Subaru fitted and warrantied kit.
The costs of either are not that dis-similar, given that on the std car (ie no PPP already fitted) TSL would obviously need to change the Downpipe cat, the centre section cat, the back box, the fuel pump, and the ECU.
If that is the case then the cost saving will not be that graet, but the resale value of your car any time up to 5 years old, I would expect to be less.
The Subaru warranty can be extended from 3 to 5 years on a std car, or one with PPP, that would not be the case with a TSL or any other 'tuning companies' products.
I have seen P1's and STi7's with wrecked engines, requiring extremely expensive rebuilds, £0000's.
They were both fixed under warranty.
They are not bomb proof. Nothing mechanical can ever be 100% guaranteed from failure (I work in the Aerosoace industry and we strive at all times for that. At 35,000 feet the customer kind of expects it).
But if you have the safety net of the Subaru dealer network warranty, it may help you sleep a little easier should your 300 bhp car start to make a 'funny' noise.
I also know of a chap whos Evo VIII FQ300 had just gone bang, requiring a brand new engine after 2000 miles!!!.
A great many people on here, are learning the hard way that if you keep turning up the wick, a bit more boost here, a little more fuel there, a touch of ignition advance and !!! What was that big bang? Your engine letting go.
They and you can sit and waffle about fuel injector duty cycles, boost pressures, remaps, rolling roads and power figures till your blue in the face, but I don't believe ANY of the specialists except Prodrive guarantee the complete vehicle after their work.
You pays your money.
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MTR
Before you consider any after market tuning companies products for your BRAND NEW FULLY WARRANTIED £25,000 STi, have you tried a PPP sti with 300 ish BHP.
I have one, (STi7 MY02STi) and it drives and pulls like a train.
I personally would not like to risk the loss of warranty for a claimed marginal increase in power over a Prodrive supplied and Subaru fitted and warrantied kit.
The costs of either are not that dis-similar, given that on the std car (ie no PPP already fitted) TSL would obviously need to change the Downpipe cat, the centre section cat, the back box, the fuel pump, and the ECU.
If that is the case then the cost saving will not be that graet, but the resale value of your car any time up to 5 years old, I would expect to be less.
The Subaru warranty can be extended from 3 to 5 years on a std car, or one with PPP, that would not be the case with a TSL or any other 'tuning companies' products.
I have seen P1's and STi7's with wrecked engines, requiring extremely expensive rebuilds, £0000's.
They were both fixed under warranty.
They are not bomb proof. Nothing mechanical can ever be 100% guaranteed from failure (I work in the Aerosoace industry and we strive at all times for that. At 35,000 feet the customer kind of expects it).
But if you have the safety net of the Subaru dealer network warranty, it may help you sleep a little easier should your 300 bhp car start to make a 'funny' noise.
I also know of a chap whos Evo VIII FQ300 had just gone bang, requiring a brand new engine after 2000 miles!!!.
A great many people on here, are learning the hard way that if you keep turning up the wick, a bit more boost here, a little more fuel there, a touch of ignition advance and !!! What was that big bang? Your engine letting go.
They and you can sit and waffle about fuel injector duty cycles, boost pressures, remaps, rolling roads and power figures till your blue in the face, but I don't believe ANY of the specialists except Prodrive guarantee the complete vehicle after their work.
You pays your money.
Cheers
MTR
just seen this thanks MTR
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From: Nottingham [JDM sti v7]
Can anyone comment on this performance upgrade for a JDM sti v7. Is there anyone out there who has taken the plunge?
Reason why I'm asking is because my recently purchased sti hasn't been re-mapped for UK fuel and so I may as well go the full hog and look at a "ppp" equivilant. Because I'm in Nottingham, TSL is on the doorstep.
Can you tell me how much the turbo lag would be reduced. 1.e. will it kick in at 2000rpm instead of 3 to 3.5k?
Has anyone regretted their conversion?
thanks
Reason why I'm asking is because my recently purchased sti hasn't been re-mapped for UK fuel and so I may as well go the full hog and look at a "ppp" equivilant. Because I'm in Nottingham, TSL is on the doorstep.
Can you tell me how much the turbo lag would be reduced. 1.e. will it kick in at 2000rpm instead of 3 to 3.5k?
Has anyone regretted their conversion?
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From: MY99UK-MY02STi-MY99Type R-MY06 T20-MY11 340R-MY05 TYPE25
AlanS,
I don't think you'll get it as low as 2K
TSL has over the years formed a very good reputation within the Scooby community
they are friendly and very knowledgeble with Scoobies 
IMHO
There are a many other reputable companies Like Powerstation, Scoobysport and Roger Clarke motorsport Etc that can offer simular types of tuning.
These Exhaust and Remaps would improve Power delivery . I think JDM's are normally 280 BHp(100ron) and an exhaust and Tek3(98ron) 330Bhp (would be nearer 350 if tuned to 100ron) but Bob Rawle is top bods on remapping and give you a far better Idea
Try not to get bogged down by BHP fiqures, buy yourself a AP Performance meter about £120 does 0-60, power to weight, BHP and Torque readouts. Test your car prior to modding then test after It may eliminate the "Sounds better" and replicate more what it does on the 'Road' than Bhp figures from a "Rolling road" .
IMHO AFAICR
Tony
I don't think you'll get it as low as 2K
TSL has over the years formed a very good reputation within the Scooby community
they are friendly and very knowledgeble with Scoobies IMHOThere are a many other reputable companies Like Powerstation, Scoobysport and Roger Clarke motorsport Etc that can offer simular types of tuning.
These Exhaust and Remaps would improve Power delivery . I think JDM's are normally 280 BHp(100ron) and an exhaust and Tek3(98ron) 330Bhp (would be nearer 350 if tuned to 100ron) but Bob Rawle is top bods on remapping and give you a far better Idea
Try not to get bogged down by BHP fiqures, buy yourself a AP Performance meter about £120 does 0-60, power to weight, BHP and Torque readouts. Test your car prior to modding then test after
It may eliminate the "Sounds better" and replicate more what it does on the 'Road' than Bhp figures from a "Rolling road" .IMHO AFAICR
Tony
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From: MY99UK-MY02STi-MY99Type R-MY06 T20-MY11 340R-MY05 TYPE25
Originally Posted by AlanS
Thanks Tony, you talk sense.
I think it maybe worth me asking TSL for a test drive in their demo car to see what the results could be...
I think it maybe worth me asking TSL for a test drive in their demo car to see what the results could be...
No Problem
Drive your car Back to back with their Demo, Twice. It will give you more of a feel gains than Dyno read outs and of course the benifits of UK Fuel You could go cheaper with just get TEK3 remap using keeping Original Exhaust, £700 ish not so great Power gains though. But remember over 300+ bhp, safety dictates you require an upgrade Fuel Pump. So better to go the whole Hog IMHOFor prices you maybe better to compare Scoobysport with TSL who both offer simular Performance Packages (depend on who's Exhaust systems used) and Both have simularly good Reputations.
Tony
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Well i used to be a customer of TSL but not anymore for a number of reasons
1, They arent exactly the cheapest
2, They cant even wire a HKS turbo timer up right after 2 attempts
3, Took my car to them and asked the main mechanic why my oil pressure was all over the place. Got the reply that it was just cause i have put some different oil in, not because my oil was full of antifreeze and was about to blow up
1, They arent exactly the cheapest
2, They cant even wire a HKS turbo timer up right after 2 attempts
3, Took my car to them and asked the main mechanic why my oil pressure was all over the place. Got the reply that it was just cause i have put some different oil in, not because my oil was full of antifreeze and was about to blow up
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Dave
your reply is misleading
We have never even changed the oil on your car!!
You left it with us for an engine build but were not prepared to wait the required time in the engine "queue" as you urgently needed your car.
If you recall. you chose to drive your car away from us, complete with it's damaged engine, even though we suggested it should be trailered at every step. I am sure this is why you find yourself with antifreeze in your oil upon strip down. as you KNOW, we never even got chance to have a look.
For the record, you have only purchased oil over the counter from ourselves, (01.09.03) which I imagine you changed yourself or had done elsewhere.
Paul
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your reply is misleading
We have never even changed the oil on your car!!
You left it with us for an engine build but were not prepared to wait the required time in the engine "queue" as you urgently needed your car.
If you recall. you chose to drive your car away from us, complete with it's damaged engine, even though we suggested it should be trailered at every step. I am sure this is why you find yourself with antifreeze in your oil upon strip down. as you KNOW, we never even got chance to have a look.
For the record, you have only purchased oil over the counter from ourselves, (01.09.03) which I imagine you changed yourself or had done elsewhere.
Paul
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DaveBlueRA's post is yet another example (it would appear) of people being completely happy and willing to try to tarnish a company's reputation without remorse or concern.
I am tiring of people using scoobynet to convey this kind of message.
The community should get onboard with this also, as this kind of thing threatens the very fabric of the scoobynet community. Imagine a time when this becomes so much of a problem that we simply cannot allow any negative comments about companies on this forum. Or even before that, when you can no longer believe a single comment made by people on this forum when talking about their experiences with vendors.
We should all pull together and stop this happening now before it gets out of hand.
Regards
Simon
I am tiring of people using scoobynet to convey this kind of message.
The community should get onboard with this also, as this kind of thing threatens the very fabric of the scoobynet community. Imagine a time when this becomes so much of a problem that we simply cannot allow any negative comments about companies on this forum. Or even before that, when you can no longer believe a single comment made by people on this forum when talking about their experiences with vendors.
We should all pull together and stop this happening now before it gets out of hand.
Regards
Simon
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From: Derby
Originally Posted by Trouser @TSL
Dave
your reply is misleading
We have never even changed the oil on your car!!
You left it with us for an engine build but were not prepared to wait the required time in the engine "queue" as you urgently needed your car.
If you recall. you chose to drive your car away from us, complete with it's damaged engine, even though we suggested it should be trailered at every step. I am sure this is why you find yourself with antifreeze in your oil upon strip down. as you KNOW, we never even got chance to have a look.
For the record, you have only purchased oil over the counter from ourselves, (01.09.03) which I imagine you changed yourself or had done elsewhere.
Paul
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your reply is misleading
We have never even changed the oil on your car!!
You left it with us for an engine build but were not prepared to wait the required time in the engine "queue" as you urgently needed your car.
If you recall. you chose to drive your car away from us, complete with it's damaged engine, even though we suggested it should be trailered at every step. I am sure this is why you find yourself with antifreeze in your oil upon strip down. as you KNOW, we never even got chance to have a look.
For the record, you have only purchased oil over the counter from ourselves, (01.09.03) which I imagine you changed yourself or had done elsewhere.
Paul
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The car was driven onto the road as the tow truck wouldnt of been able to get down the narrow passage to your place. And that did not cause anti freeze to get into my oil. The anti freeze was already in the oil as dowty washers were not put in at the previous rebuild(Not done by TSL). Which caused oil starvation on the crank. So from driving it 200 yards at 1500 rpm would not do anymore damage.And when i bought the oil i asked your chief mechanic why my oil pressure was all over the place and he said" it will just be the type of oil in it"
And with regards to the turbo timer that is 100% true as i am guessing that is why paul didnt mention it
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I'd have thought that publishing a bad experience with a particular company was OK - However, I think that each incident needs to be taken on an individual basis -
I think that we need to hear 'I didn't like so and so' as much as 'company X are great', but its really down to personal experience -
I'd agree that TSL aren't the cheapest - but that doesn't mean bad value for money
Maybe they did have trouble with a turbo timer - Not sure why, but don't know the details (and I don't think that we need a public enquiry !)...
I'd have thought that 'why is my oil pressure all over the place' could be answered in many ways - from 'different oil' to 'engine strip down necessary' - so I feel that asking for some quick advice in this area probably would lead to a quick answer - or a very conservative one (like a tow truck).
Again - I don't think a public enquiry is the answer - I'm glad that you can post that you didn't get the answers you needed, but I think that that is all I can take from your post - People should make their own judgement as to whether this puts them off or not
I also think that they have the right to answer your post - without getting into a 'slanging match' - which seems to weaken your original post anyhow !
Perhaps your post should have been left at
a) they're more expensive than I like to pay
b) I had a bad experience over a turbo timer fitment and oil pressure problem I was having ....
Simon, what are your thoughts regarding this latter example ?
I've personally used TSL for 2 years, have my car serviced there every 3 months or so, and have always found them helpful and friendly - so I'd have no hesitation recommending them
Mark
I think that we need to hear 'I didn't like so and so' as much as 'company X are great', but its really down to personal experience -
I'd agree that TSL aren't the cheapest - but that doesn't mean bad value for money
Maybe they did have trouble with a turbo timer - Not sure why, but don't know the details (and I don't think that we need a public enquiry !)...
I'd have thought that 'why is my oil pressure all over the place' could be answered in many ways - from 'different oil' to 'engine strip down necessary' - so I feel that asking for some quick advice in this area probably would lead to a quick answer - or a very conservative one (like a tow truck).
Again - I don't think a public enquiry is the answer - I'm glad that you can post that you didn't get the answers you needed, but I think that that is all I can take from your post - People should make their own judgement as to whether this puts them off or not
I also think that they have the right to answer your post - without getting into a 'slanging match' - which seems to weaken your original post anyhow !
Perhaps your post should have been left at
a) they're more expensive than I like to pay
b) I had a bad experience over a turbo timer fitment and oil pressure problem I was having ....
Simon, what are your thoughts regarding this latter example ?
I've personally used TSL for 2 years, have my car serviced there every 3 months or so, and have always found them helpful and friendly - so I'd have no hesitation recommending them
Mark
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We would not make any judgement on any oil without inspecting it. End of.
I see from your records that the first time that we installed your turbo timer we indeed did make a poor connection to the handbrake which had to be rectified on a subsequent visit. A human error for which I fully hold our hand up to (again) and apologise yet again for. If you read your invoice(28.08.03).. we even mention that there too.
I see from your records that the first time that we installed your turbo timer we indeed did make a poor connection to the handbrake which had to be rectified on a subsequent visit. A human error for which I fully hold our hand up to (again) and apologise yet again for. If you read your invoice(28.08.03).. we even mention that there too.
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From: Derby
Originally Posted by Trouser @TSL
We would not make any judgement on any oil without inspecting it. End of.
I see from your records that the first time that we installed your turbo timer we indeed did make a poor connection to the handbrake which had to be rectified on a subsequent visit. A human error for which I fully hold our hand up to (again) and apologise yet again for. If you read your invoice(28.08.03).. we even mention that there too.
I see from your records that the first time that we installed your turbo timer we indeed did make a poor connection to the handbrake which had to be rectified on a subsequent visit. A human error for which I fully hold our hand up to (again) and apologise yet again for. If you read your invoice(28.08.03).. we even mention that there too.
With regards the turbo timer there was still a problem with it 2nd time but i think i should pm you regarding this matter
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i asked your chief mechanic why my oil pressure was all over the place
I've never dealt with TSL, but I do sympathise with them - it can't be easy with Paul being blind
Paul
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
I'd agree that TSL are expensive.....
BUT only because Trouser keeps selling me things that are shiny!!
keep up the good work lads & see you soon
hawk
BUT only because Trouser keeps selling me things that are shiny!!
keep up the good work lads & see you soon
hawk
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craig .. I take it you've seen my wardrobe then..
Dave .. no problem.. If there is still a issue with the turbo timer that is down to our workmanship we would naturally be happy to rectify this without cost for you.
Cheers
P
.. I take it you've seen my wardrobe then..Dave .. no problem.
. If there is still a issue with the turbo timer that is down to our workmanship we would naturally be happy to rectify this without cost for you.Cheers
P
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Originally Posted by CraigH
I've never dealt with TSL, but I do sympathise with them - it can't be easy with Paul being blind
PaulBlind blind Paul isnt blind he's like a Magpie anything shiny anything shiny
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Just to put people in the picture.... forums as such as these are equal to emails sent (you as a person are comitting to a statement)... so if posting bad comments about individual companies leads to that company suffering income or worse, that company are legally entitled to take action against the individual.
so you have been warned.....
so you have been warned.....
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Originally Posted by jas03WRX
Just to put people in the picture.... forums as such as these are equal to emails sent (you as a person are comitting to a statement)... so if posting bad comments about individual companies leads to that company suffering income or worse, that company are legally entitled to take action against the individual.
so you have been warned.....
so you have been warned.....
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Seeing how we've drifted off topic slightly .....
AND Paul's ability to sell shiny things is being discussed.....
AND I can't help myself......
Paul - When will the clear sidelights be available for us to spend our hard-earned on ?
If you remember, I've upgraded my 98MY to 00MY headlamps and these would finish it off a treat !
Mark
AND Paul's ability to sell shiny things is being discussed.....
AND I can't help myself......
Paul - When will the clear sidelights be available for us to spend our hard-earned on ?
If you remember, I've upgraded my 98MY to 00MY headlamps and these would finish it off a treat !
Mark
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off topic would be discussing how trouser managed to sell his solicitor those Lime green & pink ski clothes. Never mind what the hell he looks like ski-ing on 2 sti rear wings & using 2 tsl backboxes for ski poles.
LOL
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I have to agree with paul on the human error front. I am a quality manager, and even with hundreds of procedures and checks in place you will always struggle to eliminate human error, its the vain of my life within manufacturing!
In relation to slanderous comments i have to agree. Scoobynet could be held responsilbe for derogitory comments relating to companies or people!
In relation to slanderous comments i have to agree. Scoobynet could be held responsilbe for derogitory comments relating to companies or people!
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thats an opinion that they are expressing relating to some work. As long as there is evidence to support what someone is saying then its not a slanderous comment, but if they say something unfounded then its slanderous and someone could take you to court for deformation of character!
What i think the webmaster is saying is that people make unsupported accusations about companies, which could effect their sales output unfairly.
Some of the comments earlier would have left a scooby virgin thinking that TSL would take your money to fix a problem and make the problem worse, whilst keeping the money, upon investigation it becomes apparent that some of the story had not been explained fully/ as well as it may have been, which then alters the shape of the story. The easiest way IMHO is for people to only comment on their experiences, and keep to the facts, relate your views to these facts so that the points remain relevant.
Hope that makes sense.
The reason SN might be held responsible is That provide the service that any derogatory comments can be made on, (if they weren’t here the potentially damaging comment wouldn’t of been read/ made) so SN have to ensure that they put measures in place to stop these comments from remaining! Called moderators. I think I am right with that!
What i think the webmaster is saying is that people make unsupported accusations about companies, which could effect their sales output unfairly.
Some of the comments earlier would have left a scooby virgin thinking that TSL would take your money to fix a problem and make the problem worse, whilst keeping the money, upon investigation it becomes apparent that some of the story had not been explained fully/ as well as it may have been, which then alters the shape of the story. The easiest way IMHO is for people to only comment on their experiences, and keep to the facts, relate your views to these facts so that the points remain relevant.
Hope that makes sense.
The reason SN might be held responsible is That provide the service that any derogatory comments can be made on, (if they weren’t here the potentially damaging comment wouldn’t of been read/ made) so SN have to ensure that they put measures in place to stop these comments from remaining! Called moderators. I think I am right with that!
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Trouser has managed to hook £3.5K from my pocket in the last 8 weeks, and that is no mean feat.
Personally I wouldnt even have heard of TSL if it wasn't for the thread ages ago about Pauls 22B and the uproar that caused....It just goes to show that even bad marketing is marketing all the same.
The simple fact is that the vast majority of TSL customers are happy ones, and its not often you can say that about garages and the services they provide. How many times have we walked out of garages thinking that Dick Turpin has just picked our pockets???
Carry on the good work Trousers and I guess if there is one lesson to be learnt from the comments on here in the last couple of months its READ AND REPLY TO YOUR E-MAILS...lol. Most people know you take ages to reply so ring you instead, but there will be people who dont know....Contructive critisism is always welcome I pressume.
Catch you soon for some new springs and guages when you get them in....
Gary
Personally I wouldnt even have heard of TSL if it wasn't for the thread ages ago about Pauls 22B and the uproar that caused....It just goes to show that even bad marketing is marketing all the same.
The simple fact is that the vast majority of TSL customers are happy ones, and its not often you can say that about garages and the services they provide. How many times have we walked out of garages thinking that Dick Turpin has just picked our pockets???
Carry on the good work Trousers and I guess if there is one lesson to be learnt from the comments on here in the last couple of months its READ AND REPLY TO YOUR E-MAILS...lol. Most people know you take ages to reply so ring you instead, but there will be people who dont know....Contructive critisism is always welcome I pressume.
Catch you soon for some new springs and guages when you get them in....
Gary
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Makes sense - I have to say that whilst I am willing (and have done so on many an occassion) to recommend someone publically (e.g. on here), I wouldn't and haven't posted if I've had a problem - usually best to contact them directly....
If someone wants advice as to a particular vendor, I'd let them know directly if I'd NOT recommend them, rather than a public slating, as its much easier to explain your particular problem one-to-one, with facts, rather than accusation !
I think that if a vendor is particularly bad, the LACK of press speaks for itself - rather than the raft of approving posts regarding TSL, etc...
Mark
PS _ I first heard of TSL on here too - one of their 'open days' ...
If someone wants advice as to a particular vendor, I'd let them know directly if I'd NOT recommend them, rather than a public slating, as its much easier to explain your particular problem one-to-one, with facts, rather than accusation !
I think that if a vendor is particularly bad, the LACK of press speaks for itself - rather than the raft of approving posts regarding TSL, etc...
Mark
PS _ I first heard of TSL on here too - one of their 'open days' ...
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