DEEDEE

As above, how would my Standard MY99 fare against a BMW 323i. The guy across the road has told his kids that his Beemer will eat my Scoob, So his kids have been saying to my kids my DADS is better than yours. Its doing my head in but Im not going to get drawn in. What do I say I have tried ignoring them but they wont go away.

bartmanuk

NO not at all,not unless it's been modded!!!

BM

jasey

Just tell Your Kids to tell his Kids that he's not their real Dad - He's a W@nker

ps Don't race him unless it's wet (and you're on a track).

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

323 or 325? Make up your mind!

The old mans '01 325 estate (190bhp) is a deceptively quick car. It can easily catch out a scooby off-guard (in the twisties too )

But the scoob still has overall upper hand in out and out grunt. 0-60 etc.

Get a decat - just to make sure you can wipe the floor with him though

[Edited by ALi-B - 1/6/2004 9:17:17 PM]

Neilo

AAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa *breath* ahahahhahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaa

No.

(Sorry feeling childish there for a moment)

In all honesty though, if both are driven by good drivers then i would expect the BMW would probably be a fair bit back on a lap of a track.

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Jeez

Find out from him/someone/BMW what the published 0-60 & 1/4 mile times are of a 325i...

I bet that it is nowhere near 6 seconds to 60 & sub 15 for the 1/4...

Some knowledgeable person on here help?




Just get your kids to nod knowingly & say "yeah yeah yeah"

Bubba po

323i- 0-60= 7.6s, 0-100= 19.8s, top speed 141 mph, bhp= 170.
scoob 0-60= 5.7s, 0-100= 16.0s, top speed 144 mph, bhp= 215.

The **** can carry on dreaming, mate. And we haven't even got him on the damp twisties yet!

chiark

Play top trumps.

The 0-60 time of the scoob at under 6 seconds will win hands down.

And, after experience in MK against a 325, I can safely say that even an 03 WRX wagon will be a tad quicker. Not a huge amount in it if both cars are being "driven enthusiastically".

Cheers,
Nick.

Tandy

My dad said or telly cost my than yours

!!!! Yeah my dad said it did !!!!

Should of gone to Comet.

Mad Gypsy

I have owned a 323 coupe (they are 2.5)
I now drive a STI Type R, and whilst this is not a fair match, I did race my freinds 96/P chipped WRX waggon with my 323. I was surprised, he didn't wipe the floor with me, he pulled/edged away, but nowhere near as much as we both thought.
He was shocked to ****! Especially going round a roundabout, I was right with him on handling (it was dry and I had 17in Alpina's with Pilot sports). He didn't pull one inch away on the roundabout.
I raced him a couple of weeks ago in my Type R and p1ssed on his fireworks

I wouldn't be overly worried, I should think you'll beat him.
BMW's give a totaly different type of power delivery, very smooth and deceptive, not nearly as violent as the scoob. And hence not as much fun. I do miss the BM at times.

tizard99

Sell yours and buy a Type R or RA (280+bhp and better handling)

O'h look I have one for sale

T.

v5 man

iTrader: (4)

at the end of the day,just forget it. you`d beat him, but he`ll always want to impress his kids with bullocks if he`s that kinda person. a little while back my 14 year old brother in-law said his friends mum said her old mini could beat my scoob cos she can do a RACING GEAR-CHANGE!!!! WTF is that just made me laugh

Cliff

OllyK

For what it is worth, on paper the 330 BMW takes over 6 seconds to 60 mph. Its not until you get to the M3 that the 0-60 times are comparable with a Scoob.

But with all these things its on paper, road conditions, whether it is an out and out drag, a cross country run, the abilities of the drivers etc etc will count far more on the day than anything else. You can loose to 60 against anything if you goof the launch and stall it.

If ya really want to find out - book a track day and take it off the roads, otherwise, just don't fret about it. Do a car comparison on www.whatcar.com and show your kid the results, that should keep him happy. Or have a look here Clicky

Bubba po

Well said, Olly.

Mad Gypsy

A 330 would give a standard WRX a run for it's money.
A lot of tests have had the 330 to 60 in under 6 seconds.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

From the horses mouth.

My standard MY00 beat a BMW 325I on the autobahn in a flat out head to head, both cars were 2 up, my speedo was reading 259kmh, no idea how inacurate it is but the bmw was most definately beaten.

Also before you also the BMW was not trying or was not in top gear, bollox to you he was going for it.

BMW 330 off the line was also sniffing my skids.

so tell your kids his BMW may be fast but your scooby will beat it in the wet in the dry on a straight road and on a curvy one.

Clubscene

I had a 99 323Ci Coupe and currently own a modded 99 Irish Scoob (full BPM decat and ECUtek 2). I can safely say that the BMW is nowhere near the Scoob in acceleration terms, even as standard the Scoob felt a lot quicker!! As mentioned above get yourself a full decat and if possible a remap and you will wipe that smug smile from his face.

akshay67

I wouldn't risk racing him without a decat and remap, simply because if you get a really crap start/late reaction time/crap gear change then there won't be much in it. On the motorway, I'm convinced that if you were level with him at 80mph and you both floored it, there would be nothing in it (done this test)...Unless you have the aforementioned mods.

Although a fairly quick car in standard form, a UK99 will be pestered by 323's, 330's and Mondeo ST220s, esp at higher speeds where transmission losses can be significant.

Mad Gypsy

Having owned a 323, the only area that could leave you looking stupid is the start. As long as you get a half decent start you'll keep pulling away, even if not by a massive amount.
Even at motorway speeds you'll pull away. The in gear times in 5th for a 323 are sh1te, 2.5 or not. I couldn't stop a load of cars passing me on the motorway in my 323. They really are guttless at higher speeds. I had a mondeo deisel go past me like I was stood still on the M27. That was the most p1ssed off I've ever been behind the wheel.

At 4,000rpm turbos kick ***.

A 330 would be a different issue. MUCH quicker than a 323.
Even then, there wouldn't be much in it. Infact I'd favor the scoob.
It's a little difficult for me to make a fair comparison, as my Type R (310bhp) spanks either

bartmanuk

mad gypsy,the start is the last place the bm should,would or could beat a scoob....get real you must be drivin yours all wrong m8 lol

BM

16vmarc

In short no.

Mad Gypsy

I got a 4.3 to 60mph out of my Type R, so I must be doing something right.

If you don't give it some revs, scoobs take off like milk floats.


[Edited by Mad Gypsy - 1/7/2004 6:53:25 PM]

scooby-si

chris u can use my car for the day and c wot he says then m8 lol

logiclee

DEEDEE,

He's having a laugh.

The 323 is far heavier than a classic and only 170bhp.

0-60 for the 1998on manual is 8.6 and 9.4 for the auto.

Even my pipe and slippers Rover 75 is quicker off the mark.

Tell him that to shut him up.

Lee

bartmanuk

MG that must have felt wicked m8 but i must say that ive never experianced the milk float start,i'll have to give it a try

i know wot you mean lee,i done a few 323's and 325's in my old 16v astra gte..... to the man with the bm.

BM(no pun)

Monkeh

I have been up against a 330ci in my standard 03wrx and he couldnt loose me from his bumper didnt look too hapy when i pulled along side him

Mad Gypsy

Some of the timed launches gave me a headache and we had to stop!

I never had to many problems with 16v GTE's in my 323.
It used to blow my brothers 97 Golf GTI (2.0 16v) away easily.
I know a 323 isn't that quick, but then a GTE isn't that quick either. Aren't they 150 bhp? 0-60 in 7.7?
According to the book that came with my BM, the 323 was 172bhp and 0-60 in 7.2.
I think it gave a weight of 1365kg, heavier than a GTE, but not heavy, considering a STI8 weighs 1470kg.

The E46 325 has got 131bhp/ton, A new age WRX has got 158bhp/ton.
Take transmission losses into account and you have a race.
A race that the scoob would win, but a race all the same.
An E46 is not much heavier than a new scoob.

Also, don't forget you may have blown away an auto, they are MUCH slower than a manual. My last BM was a 98 328 convertible auto.
I had both the 323 and the 328 at the same time for a month or so.
When I went to pick the 328 up, my brother drove the 323 back.
I got my *** kicked in my new 328. The 323 was quite a bit quicker.

logiclee

With a 1360kg kerb weight and 170bhp you are looking at the same stats as the previous shape 2.5 Mondeo or Vectra.

What car quote the manufacturers figures for the 98> 323 0-62 manual as 8.4 which would tie in with Mondeo/Vectra performance.

Cheers
Lee

casper555

si deedee wants to beat the 323 your 22b slow mate

Mad Gypsy

Comparing Ford or Vauxhall engineering with that of BMW is strange to say the least.
My freind has a Renault 21 turbo. Like my Type R, it has a 2.0 turbo engine. it does 0-60 in 7.1, yet my car, which by your reckoning is pretty much the same, can do 0-60 in 4.3.
Strange don't you think?

There is now way a 323 does 60 in 8.6 seconds. The 328 cab did 60 in 8.0 and the 323 was quite a bit quicker.
According to EVO, the 325 does 60 in 7.1. And that's what they got, not BMW's figures.

Have you driven a 323? Any BMW?
People on SN have a BMW complex! They are good cars! Totally different than a scoob. If you want performance the scoob is better. If you want everything else, the BMW is better.