lightning101

Just watched the 4x4 test - STi PPP 305bhp 0-60 in 4.3 to 4.5 secs

Evo 8 FQ300 - 300bhp 0-60 4.3 secs

Audi S4 - 339BHP 0-60 5.6 secs

When tested Evo leaves both audi and subaru for dead and then the audi from start leaved the subaru for dead - must be missing something, but this was not quite what I expected taking BHP per tonne into consideration.

StickyMicky

dear god

why dont you email clarkson and complain?

Bubba po

Ooh, Sticky, you sarky get... leave the lad alone!

akshay67

The next release of that DVD will have the Spec C, which leaves them all for dead.

lightning101

Wasn't complaining - just looking for a reason for this, trying to decide on and evo 8 fq300 or STi PPP and just needed some proper advice. I know quite a bit about both cars and am not subaru biased.

akshay67

You might be interested in this month's issue of Japanese Performace...

lightning101

http://www.aquanuke.co.uk/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=stickymicky

lightning101

Thanks for the help sticky - will return the sarcasm ASAP

SiDHEaD

I got that for xmas!! Havent watched it yet tho...

lightning101

OOPS !!

Sorry for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Everything thats on it has been on a previous top gear episode which was a shame.

ben_ctr

My dads got an evo8 and TBH i was expecting it to beat the scooby,tho it was a joke how much it left it buy

SCOOBYD00

I got both of the new Clarkson DVD's...
Might as well be one!
Same cars.. same track.. same quotes on each.. he does wear a different shirt tho!

jason4656

whats the name of this dvd and where am i likely to be able to buy it? any high street shop recomended?

thanks

chrisp

Clarkson - Shoot Out

Available from amazon.co.uk and most high street shops that sell DVDs and supermarkets which sell DVDs.

StickyMicky

sorry like but i dont understand the point of the post?

what exactly do you want people to say?

if there the same on paper and it gets beat it can only mean a few very simple things

1. it wasnt driven to its potential
2. it was fooked
3. the figures are lieing and its really much much slower

what exactly were you looking for in your post?

could it be that you are wanting people to say "nooo the scoob is much faster becuase it just is"?

dont you think theres enough of this kind of "blinkerd" aproach of scooby ownership?
i mean look @ all the owners on this board that think they drive the fastest thing on the planet?

maybe the Evo and such are simply, much better cars??
your better off emailing clarkson then getting a sensible "unbiased" view

bring on the sarcasam
lmfao


[Edited by StickyMicky - 12/27/2003 1:45:55 AM]

Bubba po

I'm sorry, but perhaps I don't understand the point of the post?

What exactly do you want people to say?

If they're the same on paper and the Impreza gets beaten, it can only mean one of a few very simple things:

1. It wasn't driven to its potential;
2. It was ****ed;
3. The figures are lying and it's really much much slower.

What exactly were you looking for in your post? Could it be that you are wanting people to say, "Nooo, the scoob is much faster, because it just is"? Don't you think there's enough of this kind of "blinkered" approach to scooby ownership?
-I mean, look @ all the owners on this board that think they drive the fastest thing on the planet! Maybe the Evo and such are simply much better cars.
In my opinion, you're better off e-mailing Clarkson, then getting a sensible "unbiased" view.

Bring on the sarcasm.
Jettisoning my buttocks with hilarity.


Corrected for grammatical errors, punctuation, spelling, typographical slips and generally **** English because I got "Eats,shoots and leaves- a zero tolerance guide to punctuation", by Lynne Truss, for Christmas.

[Edited by Bubba po - 12/27/2003 3:06:50 AM]

j_p_h

lightning101

"sorry like but i dont understand the point of the post?"

I did explain - want to buy one of the above (I like them all)

"what exactly do you want people to say?"

Their long term views of the cars - many evo and audi owners on here.

"if there the same on paper and it gets beat it can only mean a few very simple things

1. it wasnt driven to its potential
2. it was fooked
3. the figures are lieing and its really much much slower

what exactly were you looking for in your post?

could it be that you are wanting people to say "nooo the scoob is much faster becuase it just is"? "

I really am not that naive. But as you have not said "the scoob is much better", you would probably have given the most unbiased answer, but instead you head is shoved that far up your own a_rse that it was hardly worth it. I have had some very helpful people point me in the right direction on previous car purchases and mods and hoped for a similar response.

"dont you think theres enough of this kind of "blinkerd" aproach of scooby ownership?
i mean look @ all the owners on this board that think they drive the fastest thing on the planet?"

Thats me !!!

"maybe the Evo and such are simply, much better cars??"

Possibly - again that was the point of my question !!

your better off emailing clarkson then getting a sensible "unbiased" view

"bring on the sarcasam" - when I work out what SARCASAM is I will "bring it on"

lmfao - Laughing out My Fat Arrogant Orifice




[Edited by lightning101 - 12/27/2003 9:11:04 AM]

T.J

Hi,

STI PPP or EVO8 FQ would be a great choice and very little in it for real world driving. Audi is not really in the same mould so ignore straight line performance/smooth track ability. If you can afford the fuel bills (20mpg at best) buy an EVO8 FQ, the handling/steering are sublime....but then I'm biased ..and the spec 'c' is a great car as I sure the EVO8 MR (March 2004) will be...tomorrow is always the best day to choose your pride and joy.

Bon Noel

StickyMicky

i did not understand your inital post, it had no meaning apart from "i must be missing sumthing" i would have said it was pretty ovb to relise why you were a bit "miffed" if you still have not "got it" try my numberd hints on reliseing why the scooby was beat

thats cool, except the cars havent been out that long so any long term views wont even be long term views? (have i missed sumthing rather, amazingly, stupid here if i have then feel free to correct me

cut out and keep this small numberd section to remind you why your inital post had me confused about the answers you aperntly were seeking
i dont belive the scooby is much better because
1. i havnet driven any of the models you mentiond
2. i will not buy a car just because "people on the net say one make is better"

i dont see how my head is up my own ****, if i had of said "ohh yea baby get the scooby its sooooo fast cos ive got one and i blow away everything dude" then i would happily take onboard your "up your own **** comments" but im not, so i will carefully dismiss them as typical "heres not getting nothing on me" internet rabble

sad, sort yourself out, the subaru is not the "best" car just because they won a few races, if the above is you as you say, they surely you were asking for people to say

"ooo the scooby is faster just because it is" as per my other post, which you then decieded you didnt like and that you actualy wanted

"Their long term views of the cars - many evo and audi owners on here."
your original post did not pose a question?, the only thing i got get from it was
"must be missing something, but this was not quite what I expected taking BHP per tonne into consideration. "

i see no question here
this is a subaru site, you will not get a unbiased opinion on here, the masses will say "get the scooby cos its better, the odd person will actualy reason the cause and such but this is rare, but its no diffrent from visiting a lancer evo site and asking them the same question "scoobys are crap get a evo"
it shouldnt have been to hard to work it out, i mean now im sober i can work it out myself, if your having problems working out these small types of "problems" then to build up your brain power i sugest you buy a copy of "chat" for women and start on a few of the word teasers to get that brain ticking again, after a few months of hard work, then if your feeling a touch more powerfull in the brain department try a cross word, sumtimes you can win money from them!!
win enough cross words and you will be able to afford one of each of your inital choices of cars!!
SWEET AS!!

you should have typed LOMFAO ?

lightning101

It is SARCASM

not

SARCASAM

and with over 12 punctuation and spelling mistakes your ladies chat magazine crossword would never be completed.

LOL

lightning101

Anyway - this is a bit childish. I do apologise, I have driven all three cars and was a bit upset at the video, now I know clarkson does it to wind people up / get a debate going but the EVO was honestly half way down the track before the subaru got moving - and I'm sure anyone who has seen the DVD (even EVO owners) must have laughed their *** off.

Anyway what's wrong with CHAT

(Edited by webmaster to remove offensive content)

[Edited by webmaster - 12/27/2003 11:54:42 AM]

Mad Gypsy

I to was shocked at what can only be described as an utter trouncing the STI gets at the hands of the EVO.

Prodrive's figures ARE UTTER BOLLOKS!

I shall be looking at a FQ330 as a next car (among others) I won't even consider a STI8 PPP as a replacement for my STI Type R.

C'mon Subaru! Give us an EVO beater with a warranty and one that doesn't look like a but plug! (the EVO isn't THAT pretty)

StickyMicky

this is childish
but its also a good larf

sorry i dont need to do any kind of crosswords or such myself, i can read between the line,s and kinda breeze over small grammer mistakes (this is not a CV its a message board)

wondering what the offensive content was
i must got for a bit, i have a suspension spring to remove and refit and also a lambda sensor

wonder if clarky will give me a hand

PROBLEMCHILD75

Subaru have given us a EVO beater the STI type C check this months evo mag.

[Edited by PROBLEMCHILD75 - 12/27/2003 12:45:54 PM]

lightning101

It was a chat magazine with a gay alarm (nothing offensive unless your a gay man, who is acting straight) guess we have to ask which mod removed it ?

Mad Gypsy

I meant Subaru UK. I'm well aware of the Spec C.
It does not come with a Subaru warranty.
Also, the Spec C tested is not standard, it's been breathed on. Though even in standard form, it's an awesome car.
I should imagine a FQ330 would give a Spec C a run for it's money, at the very least. Against a UK STI8 PPP, the FQ330 would be in another league.

lightning101

The car in the test was an FQ300 not an FQ330 - although I agree the FQ330 would take some beating - and it has been beaten, see latest EVO Mag I think it is. SPEC C beats FQ330 in all tests, this was also against a golf R32 - which won on comfort etc. They said the EVO 8 had become too refined (ahem!!)

Mad Gypsy

Is that January's EVO? I've only seen the Spec C pitted against a FQ300.
If the Spec C is Ian Litchfeilds then it's not really fair, that Spec C has a 2.5 engine and has not been standard for some time. Even before the 2.5 engine, Litchfeilds car was running a re-map plus full de-cat and handling tweaks.

If Subaru UK were to bring the Spec C over here, I would choose it over a FQ330 (if I could get used to the but plug like appearance). But a STI8 PPP and a FQ330 are not in the same league, I'd choose the EVO every time. And that's from a scooby driver.

I know the car in the test was a FQ300 and not a FQ330, I to got the DVD for Xmas. God, are we all that predictable? Did anyone NOT get this DVD this Xmas?



[Edited by Mad Gypsy - 12/27/2003 7:04:38 PM]

lightning101

LOL - Doesn't seem to matter how unfair the tests are - we'll all buy the next DVD.

You can by the FQ300 and get the 30BHP upgrade for £500 + Vat