Burble

Quite surprised tonight when i had a bit of a dice up with a CTR.
Only just managed to pull away up to 3 figures.

Definately need a TEK3 ASAP.

(MY'99 UK full decat 16PSI.)

ben_ctr

not really much between them mate!i went 40-150 mph with a scoob and there wasnt a cm in it.

What the performance like on a terzo?????am considering selling my ctr for one,would it be any faster???

StickyMicky

intresting
i did the same with a mate in mine, and totaly destroyed him and his car, upteen times, rolling starts, from the lights

and he aknowledged it and said "ohh well at least i tried"
then he sold it and boought a jap import scooby

j_p_h

Hmm is strange. I too destroyed one in my old standard my97 UK Car. Went from 20ish upto bout a 100.

NewAgeWRX

CTR's are pretty quick, I had a nice run with one a while ago and found the same as you did.

Started around 30 and went to over 100 with him and only had a very slight gain, almost nothing. He was trying very hard to get away from me, with small gray puff's from the exhaust on every gear change.

Wasnt too bad for me, im running a box standard UK MY02 only mod being WR Sport back box. Newage scoobs are only ~20 BHP more than CTR's and carry more weight and have AWD running gear losses so the results I had were what I expected.

Good thing I spose is that I am at the bottom of scooby potential, whereas I would have thought CTR's would take alot of expense to get considerably more power from. Another thing - anyone in a CTR who tries to race a scoob in the wet is insane and will be totally destroyed even by a scoob like mine.

The fun starts for me early next year, Im looking to decat and TEK3 my car and from what i've read on here it should make a huge difference.

Frazer

I'm sorry but a standard UK turbo (or lightly modded) will not destroy a CTR infact 100-145 the CTR will win, my Clio Cup would be all over a standard classic 10-100 (I matched a lightly modded one side by side all the way at Crail when I was standard!) Really if you have a standard UK Scooby and you think your going to destroy the new breed of hot hatches when up and going you dont have a clue.....

[Edited by Frazer - 12/25/2003 1:53:30 AM]

kna

yeah right Frazer in ur dreams
it is a fact that most scooby drivers cant drtive cos there 2 old and give it i was running my chuckle pin in to the gigle box yeah like **** learn how 2 drive ur scoob u old farts

terryb

Not at all surprised Burble.

I owned one of these before the P1 and they are very quick - especially if you catch one in the VTEC zone - as it will stay there through the gears up to silly speeds.

Mind you - the P1 is in a different league - totally....

j_p_h

Im lying then frazer sorry.

Really need to sort out this little problem it will get me into trouble

Bobby Peru

Frazer, I think you are bang on, I think there is a very blinkered attitude on here, CTRs & Clio cups are very quick in real world situations and the fact is that standard UK cars are quick to 60 but are not as electric to 100 and beyond, as some people like to think they are.

ben_ctr

I wouldnt say ur lying j_p_h i wiould say the bloke in the type r wasnt driving the car to it full potential,if he was u wouldnt have pulled a cm on him mate, simple as!

UHF

Just my observations:

My MY99 UK Turbo - Tek2, fulldecat, about 270hp on a good cold day
My mates standard CTR

From the lights, wet or dry, scoob pulls way ahead and then the gap stays more or less the same until you run out of road

Rolling above 20-30mph and the cars are neck a neck for ages

Rolling with CTR in front of me on a LONG LONG LONG straight road at 100mph, both went for it after passing some slower cars, he got on gas first as he was ahead, gap got bigger, then the gap got smaller as i got going and in the end had to over take him on other side of road at about 120mph, he seemed to have run outa puff (like I said, on a VERY VERY long road with flat land each side, you could see about 20mins into the distance!)

Some days I see CTR's on the local A10 and its pretty much neck a neck unless I happen to catch one at the lights, they are VERY rapid and underestimated. But I think the tuning potential of the scoob is a hell of a lot more and once I get a td05 and 340hp he'll be dust under all circumstances!

BTW, I swear if my car was a standard 99 UK 2000 then he'd make me look silly!

RB5#111

iTrader: (5)

Remember scoobs can lose anything upto 100bhp at the wheels, my RB5 loses just under 85bhp due to transmission loss as its 4x4.
Whereas the CTR looses around 20bhp, Soooo a 270bhp scoob could be anything as low as 170bhp@wheels and the CTR 197@Flywheel is roughly 175bhp@Wheels.

Picking my CTR up this Saturday, i can't wait

FragaL

iTrader: (1)

Well I had a 03 CTR for 8months and now own a UK300 PPP. I have to say that the CTR is by far the best engineered engine/box i have used. As much as i love the scooby to bits i do miss those 8500rpm blast

As for power there is not alot in it, there is a certain stretch i used to blast down in the CTR and would get to about 120ish. I have done the same in the UK300 and its only slightly more. The thing with the CTR is that you have to screem its nuts off to get the power whereas the scooby its low end. From standing it would be very close with the scooby having the low down grunt but the CTR has a better and short box. If you happen to catch a CTR doing 35mph becarful he aint in 2nd when u try to get past as if you hit the VTEC at that point its gone!

All in all top cars but i still hold great respect the CTR, picture one of those with a turbo attached. nuff said.

Maxy_UK

Honda ownz j000000000

16vmarc

I dont think the Type-R is better actually, i test drove one and it did feel fast altho the Impreza feels quicker. Altho i only took the Type-R to 80. Handle brilliantly tho.

Frazer

j_p_h

Are you saying im lying then? I matched a classic style turbo (which had exhaust mods) over the 1/4 mile when my Cup was standard since then I have run a 14.4@96 mph with 2.4 60 ft time (with just a chip) so when up and going a standard Impreza is really going to struggle to pull away!

16vmarc

Isnt there a guy on here thats done a 13.00 with a standard scoob?

UHF

frazer, my first run at the pod when standard with 99 uk turbo was 14.51, once tek2'd and decatted i got 13.8, but most ppl with these are in the low 13's, its all about how you launch, terminal speed was 98mph.

what I observe happening at the pod is the 4wd car leaping and then the cups/ctr's matching them for pace but being that initial 1-2 car lengths down, and then occasionally making up a bit of ground at the end due to higher terminal speed.

edited to say, IMO standard uk cars are absolute crap for straight line power once rolling, they simply dont pull as well as they could!

[Edited by UHF - 12/25/2003 6:46:07 PM]

UHF

Is it also possible that the pre 99/00 uk cars with thier bigger turbo are more effective once rolling than the smaller td04 in the 99/00 car? I know the 99/00 is more powerful by a small bit and the td04 makes it more drivable but on a straight run its possible the bigger turbo is what makes a 97 uk turbo outpace a ctr easier? i dunno, straws and clutching going on here ie lag isnt an issue in straight blasts as you're always in the power part of the rev range, whereas on a country blast you'd feel the quicker spooling td04 more advantageous? given that 97=208hp and 99/00=215 as standard so they claim? I'm just trying to stop J and F arguing

[Edited by UHF - 12/25/2003 6:55:13 PM]

slimtim

Frazer, i totally agree with what you are saying. Standard UK Imprezas are obviously quick, but not quick enough to beat all cars from a rolling start.

I got a similar response about the Fiat Coupe, which even as standard will do a quater mile/0-100mph in 14.5 secs. Thats with the initial 60 ft being over a second slower than the 4 wheel drive traction you get from an impreza. Right or wrong magazines tend to say a standard uk impreza will do the quarter in about 14.5 seconds and 0-100mph in about 15.8 seconds.

Take into account transmission losses through four wheel drive, and once moving they simply arnt as quick as people like to think.

anyway, whatever is going to be close, and who gets the initial jump.

davedipster

Had a CTR for a year and a half then had a test drive in an STI8. After it had warmed up I put my foot down in 2nd..WTF rev limit..3rd...oh my god this is fast and then 4th OH this is silly.
Got the STI 3 weeks later, it's in a different class.
I loved the CTR but was fed up with the nothing below 6k then 2k of OK performance then the rev limit, but now I love the 3k to 7k of mad performance
The std WRX with 1k on the clock I test drove felt slightly faster than my CTR I drove to the dealers, but I could carry much more speed through the local roads cos it just felt alot more planted and secure. Maybe the WRX is just easier to get the best out of everyday on my local roads. I should also mention that the CTR would wheelspin at the slightest hint of a spirited drive, the WRX on the other hand I nearly stalled out of the dealers cos it had so much more grip, aftet a few miles I got used to it and it flew from standstill.

The CTR was a dam good car, in fact under 16k it's probably the only hatch I would buy.

I needed a 'practical' 4 door so the STI fitted the bill

Dipster

j_p_h

Frazer im not saying your lying.

I have only come up against the one i mentioned and i did beat it by a long shot, the driver even admitted it.

My views arent blinkered i dont own a scooby no more. I thought mine was ok off the mark magazine shoot out day produced a 4.8 to 60 but not anything to shout about once moving. My new cars something to shout about.

I only posted of my experience with one thats all. Didnt want a mass arguement.