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Old 16 May 2000, 08:46 PM
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Thinking of doing a track day or two over the summer, and the organisers tell me that entrance is subject to the my car producing less than 105 dB of noise. This is a standard 'race' noise limit they say.

I have a MY97 Turbo with K&N induction kit, straight-through Magnex centre section, and Scoobysport backbox.

Is my car going to be too loud?

If so, what should I put back on in order for it to meet the noise limits?

Thanks in advance!

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Old 16 May 2000, 08:55 PM
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Andrew, you will be fine on that setup IMHO. Most track days run at 98DBa which is the legal maximum for a vehicle on the road.

Your setup should be below 98Dba unless it is old and has had the packing material burned.
Old 16 May 2000, 10:10 PM
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Cheers John. The system is less than 6 months old, so (fingers crossed) should be okay. From what little I know about decibels, 105 db is considerably louder than 98 anyway.



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Old 16 May 2000, 10:36 PM
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When i used to grasstrack with a class 9 special we had to be below 105 to pass noise test and i have yet to hear any scooby that comes anywhere the noise a open mounted pinto with tiny exhaust made and it allways passed.

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Old 16 May 2000, 11:50 PM
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yep, DB's are a logarithmic scale. 105DBa is very loud. 6DBa doubles the noise level. We just get 105Dba with our race esprit and that is Loud.
Old 17 May 2000, 12:20 AM
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I should have known! The one that was considered "too loud" by the people living near MIRA!
Old 17 May 2000, 12:39 AM
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AH, my old 350BHP 2wd cossie, now that was a fun, LOUD car.

Havent got a clue how loud that thing was, thats why i mentioned the packing material, as my flame outs melted all mine.

It was quiet until i started to use full throttle at 7200RPM, sounded quiet in the car though

My westie has a repackable silencer for when i melt that one
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How loud was that Cossie then John?
Old 17 May 2000, 11:47 AM
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which cossie david?
Old 17 May 2000, 02:14 PM
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John,

thought it was generally thought of as 3DB to double sound pressure level?

10 decibels is 10-fold increase, but that works only for 10, the base of the decibel system. 20 decibels is 100-fold (10x10), and an increase of 5 decibels is an increase by a factor of the square root of 10.

Your handy pocket formula
for power: 10 log(P2/P1)

although Im confused as to how you actually work that one out!

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robski,

I have heard that said many a time about 3DB being double.

However i worked for years using ultrasonic high acuracy testing equipment on aircraft engines and in the nuclear industry and a 6DB gain is always classed as double the energy when using ultrasonics.

So either there is a different scale for ultasound to sonic (which i doubt) or there is some duff info out there?
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OK, its been bugging me so i did a bit of research. We are both right in some ways robski.

In audio apps 3DB is double the sound energy.
The reason i was confused on this issue is that with the kit i used, it was using voltage power as a reference, in this app a 6DB gain in amplifier power gives double the energy.

As all my instrumentation used high energy ultrasonic probes driven by amplifiers. The instruments scaleing is done in 6DB gains.

So i have been going around for at least 15 years with the wrong scale in my head for audio power levels.

we learn sommat new every day.

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John,

I think you want this one!

for voltage: 20 log(V2/V1)

still dont know how to use them tho!

robski
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