Dougy Giro

My only uncertainty with any combined GPS/Detection System is as i've stated above dubious as to how good the detection part is, but thats just my opinion coz i aint seen (or can find) any direct test between the 2 systems head to head.

Not sure what you mean by "future proofing with its add on radar" - surley a V1 is more future proof coz it can be updated without the need to buy a new unit.

Yes thay are legal - they are basically radios that listen to certain frequencys.

Questions 2) n 3) are best answered by someone whos mounted one there before. All i know is thats its a one handed opperation to remove the V1 from its windscreen mount. As for "squealers" spotting it above your mirror - i dunno, would you notice??
But Police are trained to be observant and use their discretion (or is that indiscrection?)

Editted to say - I just been on weband i see what you mean by future proof.
ie - The Morpheous is gonna get optional radar in future.
But the Origin B2 has radar and Laser alrady, if thats the way you wanna go.

Cheers
Dave



[Edited by Dougy Giro - 7/1/2003 10:50:56 AM]

Dougy Giro

Just testing the water for numbers at the moment (i need 7 buyers)

I can get the Valentine 1 Radar Detector for £330 delivered and brand spanking new.
The concealed unit £40.

The cheapest i've seen these Radar Detectors is £519.
See this link: http://www.valentine1.com/home.asp

It is rated as the best Detector available today. Imported from USA, but it has a full warrenty. (although supplier has never had one sent back in 7 years) and has full coverage of all UK radars / lasers. One big thing IMHO is the ability to be updated as and when technology is advanced - so you dont need to throw it away like many others.

Its the only detector with front and rear detection and the only one with direction of bogeys dispaly.

Let me know if your interested

Cheers
Dave

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Dougy Giro

BTTT for Today

Dougy Giro

Read this article.
It obliterates the best of the rest as they say!!!

http://www.valentine1.com/lab/cd_radar_detectors.pdf

Alan C

Dougy,
As in my other thread in 'Security', keep me in mind and as a 'possible' on your list.

To back up Dougy, after some research myself, the Valentine does look to be the 'Dogs' in the RADAR department. A good detector should be a mandatory fit if you want to stay as safe as possible.

BTT

Scooby96

COUNT ME IN AT £330 A VERITABLE BARGAIN!

WRBlue-STi7-Prodrive

where would you mount this in a scoob - its not the best lookin detector is it!!

Is it as good as the neo????

Dougy Giro

Scooby96 - its good to see someone who can spot a bargin for a quality item

WRBlue - Yeah i'd probably agree its not the best looking. But I dont think its obtrusive or ugly. IMHO its better to have the full protection that this item offers than be "classically beautiful".

Neo what? I dunno. All i know is that in any review ive seen its been top by a considerable distance. Like i say have a look at these links. Everything is there, including what real owners think.

http://www.valentine1.com/home.asp
http://www.valentine1.com/lab/cd_radar_detectors.pdf

Cheers

PS Can someone PLEASE tell me how to make these d*mn links clickable!!!!!

CataIunya

Has it got GPS too ? for that price you would expect it to have for the truvelo cameras etc ?

Subarussian

This device was developed for the US market. Will this cause any problems for use in the UK? Like false alarms, not recognising certain types of cameras, etc... due to different bands.

How does it compare to Road Angel and other GPS-based, fixed camera site devices?

Thanks!

BlackScoobyWRX

Still doesn't pick up digital camera's so whilst it is great for the others, you can pick up a really good detector for a lot less.
Just a point for what its worth !!!!!

DreXeL

Put the code [ URL] (without the space) infront of the link, and [/ URL] (without the space again) after the link.

neil@wrx

top bit of kit had mine 5 weeks now
fitted over the rear view mirror with the hard wire kit it comes with and second screen under rev counter took 20 min to fit
u need to swich off band x and swich on k and ka
look at [ulr]www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/val2000.htm[/ulr]
[ulr]www.valentine1.com/home.asp[/ulr]
the cost is more like £522 + VAT

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Dougy Giro

No - It hasnt got GPS.
Its the best DETECTOR there is. IMO. And thats why it cost what it does i pressume.

Unlike GPS it cant tell you your coming to a TRUVELO or SPECS site.
I'd rather have protection against the mobile radars/gatso's/lasers than these. (I havent even seen any of these up here!!) Like most things in life its a trade off. At the moment there isnt a GPS system WITH the dectection capability of the V1.

Subarussian - Its completly compatable with all Uk devices. The current model is now programmable - ie different bands can be turned on n off.
As for false alarms - they all false alarm. Because it has the best detection it may flase alarm more than others, but with the direction arrows and threat (bogey) counter the bogey is quickly quantified.

Neil - Glad you enjoying the protection - Oh Er missus !!!

Editted to say - thanks DreXeL


Cheers
Dave




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W2DWB

Could be up for a purchase.

If you have seen my earlier thread 'Sugar Butties, I've been caught!' you will know I've just had a letter from the local constabulary caught doin 39mph in a 30.

I don't know much about these Valentine units, and like a previous post was up for a Road Angel have you any comparisons. Bell 550's seem popular aswell.

Dougy Giro

W2DWB - Cant really compare GPS with Dectectors - you gota decide what you consider the greatest threat. See above post.

See PDF link below: - BEL 980 comes 3rd in the test with 61out of 100, Escort 8500 2nd with 73 and V1 with 97 !! (slight winner?)

http://www.valentine1.com/lab/cd_radar_detectors.pdf
http://www.speedtraps.co.uk/default.htm#compare
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/val2000.htm
http://www.valentine1.com/home.asp

Edditted to try n get clickables to work !!! x 3 - getting closer

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W2DWB

Yeh read that, can you familarise us with Trevelo and Specs, whats that all about then?

I am interested as the points are totting up, and like the idea of updating the database with new sites. R the above referencing those fixed cameras that time you between two points with licence plate recognition on them.
Sorry to be a dunce.

DJ140

The new Origin B2 is GPS based and has Laser detection, as does the Road Angel, it may be worth arranging a group buy on these. SPECS and Truvelo are very popular at the moment, can't see the point in owning a detector that doesn't pick them up!

[Edited by DJ140 - 6/28/2003 6:34:13 PM]

W2DWB

I'm with you DJ, I know what Trevelo and SPECs are now and your'e right they are what are currently being installed, am I right in thinking the Road Angel with the laser does the lot covering all the necessary radar bands anyway or does it pick them out from the database.

Dougy Giro

Couldn't agree more. If you want protection against TRUVELO or SPECS you need GPS. But like i said before I'd rather have real (or the best to date) protection agianst MOBILE Radar/Gatsto/Laser situations.

From the above web site (speedtraps) it seems the Origin b2 is the only GPS that has Laser dectection and the option of adding Radar dectection. The Road Angel has Laser dectection (not sure if its an add on) but not Radar Protection, as does the Snooper SR6.

To be honest I havent seen any test on Road Angels (or any GPS)laser capability. It doesnt offer Radar protection which i think offer the biggest threat.

But what dectection is that - i dunno - i'd have a guess that its now where near the V1, coz no other dectector is never mind a GPS with radar/laser detection.

Gonna see if i can find some reviews now.

Cheers
Dave

HummerGuy

Quote From: Dougy Giro "As for false alarms - they all false alarm. Because it has the best detection it may flase alarm more than others, but with the direction arrows and threat (bogey) counter the bogey is quickly quantified."


Actually, it will false alarm less than other models do to the fact that it has 3 different computer modes to filter which are actually a threat or false alarm. The modes are listed below:


In the All-Bogeys® mode, all bogeys will be reported as soon as they are detected. Use your judgement to decide whether or not they are threats.

In the Logic® and Advanced-Logic® modes, you are deferring to the internal computer which will use its own logic to screen bogeys before reporting them to you.

In Logic, X-band bogeys the computer judges to be non-threatening will be reported at the "muted" volume. If they become threatening, the audio warning will upgrade to the "initial" volume before you are within radar range.

In Advanced-Logic, X-band bogeys that the computer has reason to believe aren't radar will not be reported at all. One exception: To be failsafe, the computer will always pass extremely strong signals along for your judgement. This mode is particularly useful in metro areas.

The computer is smart: It never operates the receiving circuits at less than maximum sensitivity and it knows that K-band bogeys and Instant-on are always threats. So it will always warn you immediately at the "initial" volume when those radars are detected, no matter what mode you've selected.

To change modes, press and hold the Control **** for one second.

Dougy Giro

Thanks HummerGuy,
I knew what i meant - just tried to condense it to a sentence. All i was getting at was the fact that it has a better detection range than any other. So consequently it must "pick-up" more bogeys. But as you say they can be intelligently "screeened".

Cheers
Dave

darms

iTrader: (5)

Guys I've had my V1 for over a year, and it works really well.

Dougy Giro

Darns - Just wondering - Have you ever been "done" by TRUVELO or SPECS ???
IMHO I think you got more chance of seening these than some copper waiting in ambush, or a "white van man" sat at side of road.

Cheers
Dave

V45DSM

They go on for Ebay for sub £300 new.

Phil Harrison

Group Buy Road Angel. Following Supplier did a discount for SN members quite recently www.norcomm.co.uk. Good service and delivery, slightly awkward payment mechanism (PAYPAL IIRR) (tho' I suspect he'd supply on Credit Card details). There's been a thread offering the Snooper Neo S6 also: the two seem to be very similar.

Road Angel: Does NOT detect, let alone jam, Radar. Detects LASER, by which time it may well be too late, as Laser is very quick-reading. I suspect you need a Laser Detector/Jammer for proper protection, which is a slightly grey area in law. Road Angel is excellent for all Fixed and Mobile (i.e. roadwork) cameras, Truvelo etc. but does false alarm occasionally (crossing the River Yeo at Ilminster, for example). Use of Radar is (allegedly) on the decrease.

Seems like you ned a grand's worth of Kit..... Road Angel or S6 for GPS database + (say) Valentine for Radar + a Laser Jammer. Say 3 @ £333 for sake of argument!

Phil

bigal13

HI GUYS

i am also looking for a radar after a close call on the A-9 dirty plods sitting at giveway after bend as though they were weighting to come out but had speed camera out of drivers window. so i was thinking along the lines of the Bel 550 for £449 seems to cover most camers what do you think or should we start a thread giving the pros and cons of different radars

big al

5 Type R

Is this GB on then for the Valentine 1????

I am interested.........

Dougy Giro

5 type R -Yes GB is on if i can get 7 or more.

bigal13 - If you want a detector the V1 is it - IMO.
But like "Phil Harrison" says to cover all bases you could prob do with a GPS for the TRUVELO or SPECS sites. As for Pros n cons we could all go on forever as its all about opinions. But If you look at the links in posts above, the.pdf file is an independent test, that was taken under controlled circumstances giving unbiased opinions.

Dave

ash1

iTrader: (2)

I was looking at this area a little while ago and came to the conclusion that there is no one single device that will do the job. I wasn't prepared to shell out over £700 for more than one unit. Perhaps in a couple of years the technology will be available in a single unit.