i love scooby snacks

Has anyone out there know the 1/4 mile time of a standard MY97 UK Turbo?
Also, would it pass the line at 100mph?

How do other cars STI, P1, 22b etc. fair up (Standard!)

cheers

tony

skiddus_markus

Probably around 14.5-15secs at 90-95mph.The P1 does it in around 13.5secs at approx 100mph.

SecretAgentMan

My MY00 does it in 12.72@110.6...(hit the limiter in 3rd, should've learned how to drive the car when I started modding - a 110 trap is a middle 12).

I've actually seen standard-ish turbos (modded with exhausts, and an open filter) do it in mid 13's....which is weird, a completely stock one would struggle to get below 14.

/J

SecretAgentMan

...one thing - the quarter mile is ALL about getting out of the "hole" - the first 60 feet. Then it's just a matter of flooring it and changing gears (swiftly).

You will have to leave mechanical sympathy home for this one.

I got a 1.7 60-feet by revving it to 6500 rpm, and almost dumped the ceramic paddle clutch (you want mild slippage, and no bogging down - never drop the clutch)...no wonder the gearbox recently resigned.

The quarter mile is not what this car is about - but it's alot of fun to try once - trackdriving however is another ballgame, a more entertaining one.

/J - with a stronger box on order...

scooby_si

going to santa pod in 2 weeks perchance?
Si

5cby

hi all
my missus has got a 5 gt turbo and amongst her receits is a slip from avon park which says her car did the 1/4 mile in 15.598 at a speed of 99.415 mph is this quick for a 5 or not?
not quite sure of the full spec of the car she hasnt had it long
its had the boost turned up to i think 14 or 15 psi.the rr showed 143 @ flywheel and 114 @ wheels

LG John

15.5 and 99mph don't match up IMO. She must have sat spinning at the line for ages I'm tempted to say....women

If it achieved a trap speed of 99mph then it should be able to do the 1/4 mile a fair bit quicker than 15.5. I've done a 15.3 @ 89mph in a VTS

skiddus_markus

Yes but a lighter more powerful car will have a stronger midrange than your old saxo.That seems a pretty accurate time to me and is a bit better than average for a R5.

nellie

STI7,PPPd is about 12sec

LG John

Skid thats my whole point! With a trap speed of 99mph it should be spanking some scoobys let alone standard Saxo's. My whole point it the speed is very good but the time is crap! That means there must have been IMO excessive wheel spinning at the start which would waste time for little distance achieved. Then once power is down she halls *** and nails through at 99mph but with a crap time.

skiddus_markus

To be spanking scoobys it would need to be doing around 13.5secs.Having run for 2 seconds less the terminal speed would be more like 85mph.Your right though it must have been wheelspin city off the stage lights.
Have you run your scooby yet-I'd be interested to see what it does with your mods.I reckon on 13.5secs at around 100mph.
STI7 with PPP 12secs?As in dead or in the 12secs?I'd have thought high 12s.

LG John

Planning to in the new 'thrash' year I'm hoping for 13-13.5 but I think the clutch is going to be the 'weakest link' I can't really launch it as it just gets overloaded and spins with the car sitting still

skiddus_markus

In Dec 2001 I had a HKS clutch fitted to my GTiR.After carefully bedding it in for 500 miles it still slipped on 1.2bar-gutted.It cost me around £750 for the clutch and fitting and it feckin slipped.The gearbox went last June and I only managed to do around 2500-3000miles on it with only one 1/4 mile day...bargain.I still managed a 12.7 thougheven with it slipping on launch and through the gears,finally settling down in 4th.I've gone for an AP item this time with a stronger box and a few choice mods so mid-high 11secs should be possible.

LG John

High 11' Your GTI-R can't be short of power then

scooby_si

Santa pod meet & just 4 a plug Cov area massive goes to da POD Kum along & find out as long as u dont muller yer clutch shud b a pretty cheap & enjoyable day
Si

Type R

I have a Cusco clutch, although not fitted yet but they are highly regarded, heard that some AP Clutches have gone quickly on ITR's too

skiddus_markus

Don't say that about the AP's.They're meant to be pretty good on Pulsars.
Saxoboy-not particularly,just 1.2bar on standard internals but that will be less soonand a short ratio box to go in-similar ratios to Type R's but doesn't rev as high(yet)so less actual speed per gear.I reckon I'd have been close to 11s last year if the clutch had stopped slipping.

chrisp

From the car magazine archive (must tidy them up one day )

Top Gear Magazine November 1997 sports car shootout.

Tiff Needel in a stock standard UK MY97 208bhp

0-60 in 5.2
0-100 in 14.5
1/4 in 13.9 @ 98mph

Cheers

ChrisP

CrisPDuk

Saxo Boy, the time & speed are about right for the 5 Turbo because unlike your Saxo which had a nice torquey motor with a linear power band the 5 has a small capacity low compression motor with a big turbo, which comes in like a lightswitch especially if it is running increased boost. Off the line he will have either bogged the car down, then had to wait until the revs & boost recovered, or he will have used large revs to keep the boost up & waited for the tyres to melt enough to get some grip. The terminal speed alone says that the car must be running impressive boost, the thing must have flown once it got a grip

LG John

Quite agree Crispy! I'd be interested to see what it could have done in the right hands (no offense to the driver). It certainly would run standard scoobys pretty close once rolling and boosting

skiddus_markus

I thik the quickest R5 ran something like a 12.6 on a lowly 50psi.Can you weld a head to the block:P?

5cby

i got some other times here aswell
60 ft in 2.731
660 ft in 10.247
reaction time .355
the car was up against a fiesta rs turbo which did it in
16.432 @ 88.734

GREEN SCOOBY

My standard 97my turbo done the 1/4 mile at 14.4 secs and was doing around 94/95 mph.

This was with a 5000 rpm start and a reaction time of around 9 thou of a second, so there is room for improvment yet.I am sure Stef ued to get in the high 13s with his standard car but he was quite mad.

paul w

Got some tickets for my old uno,near standard theses times were before i modded it.This was the best all were under 15.5 and about 90 through the lights

15.249 1/4
92.29 Mph

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

15.5secs, and 99mph do not tally up. If it only has 140bhp, then it isnt going to be spinning the wheels so badly, that the time is what it is, and if it only has 140bhp, then no way is it going to get 99mph at the end of the qtr.
My mini, which is still a 1293 turbo ( modified of course ), has done 14.5 ( with full tools and luggage on board ) at 102mph.
I would estimate over 180bhp, and that time is with serious wheelspin til nearly 80mph. ( 2nd gear still ) crossing the line in 3rd.
Perhaps if the car was lighter, and had slicks, and a diff, then I could get much better times and speeds.
I dont think shorter gearing would help either, as it spins the wheels too much anyway, so at least with my current gearing I get good top end.

skiddus_markus

Shorter gearing would help...if you had traction control.

The time doesn't stand anyway-the reaction time is less than 0.4secs so would have been disqualified:P.

Leslie

Remind me never to buy a car from any of you guys. Anyone with any mechanical sympathy must be cringing in his boots! I would not have even treated my racer like that.

nisr227

As you asked what is possible over 1/4 miles, I'm currently working on a rather nice spreadsheet with formulars calulating some interesting 0-60 and 1/4 mile figures on ANY car, with comparisons to all types Scoobies too.

Here's some more pasted info, remember all are from my FORMULARS, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are the two end figures. Comments?

NOTE: THESE ARE SLAUGHTERING THE CAR WITH NO SYMPATHY, AND THEY ARE THEORY FIGURES, ADD 0.5 SECONDS FOR MOST VEHICLES TAKING SLIGHT CARE.


4WD:

S3 99 210 1375 153 6.4 14.8

S4 01 265 1512 175 5.6 14.0

RS2 95 315 1595 197 5.1 13.3

RS4 02 375 1620 231 4.4 12.6

RS6 02 444 1840 241 4.2 12.4

TT 1.8T 225bhp 98 225 1395 161 6.1 14.5

Escort RS Cosworth 96 227 1304 174 5.7 14.1

Sapphire RS Cosworth 4X4 93 220 1367 161 6.1 14.5

Delta Integrale 16v Evo 93 210 1350 156 6.3 14.7

Lancer Evo VI GSR/Makinen Ed 01 276 1365 202 5.0 13.3

Lancer Evo VI RS 01 276 1260 219 4.6 12.9

Lancer Evo VII 02 276 1360 203 4.9 13.3

Lancer Evo VII FQ300 02 305 1360 224 4.5 12.8

Lancer Evo VII RS Sprint 02 320 1260 254 4.1 12.4

Galant VR-4 (Import) 99 276 1524 181 5.5 13.8

Sunny / Pulsar GTi-R (standard 220) 93 227 1250 182 5.5 13.8

Sunny/Pulsar GTi-R modified 300bhp 300 1250 240 4.3 12.6

Skyline R33 GT-R VSpec 97 330 1601 206 4.9 13.1

Skyline R34 GT-R 99 350 1605 218 4.6 12.9

911 (996) Turbo 4wd 00 420 1549 271 3.9 12.0

Impreza 2.0 Turbo UK 98 215 1235 174 5.7 14.1

Impreza P1 98 276 1283 215 4.7 13.0

Impreza RB5 (prodrive) 98 237 1235 192 5.2 13.6

Impreza Sti 4/5/6 98 276 1275 216 4.7 13.0

Impreza WRX 01 215 1385 155 6.3 14.7

Impreza UK300 02 242 1385 175 5.7 14.0

Impreza WRX Sti 7 Type UK 02 261 1470 178 5.6 13.9

Impreza WRX Sti 7 Type UK PPP 02 305 1470 207 4.8 13.1

Impreza WRX Sti 7 (New Import) 02 276 1430 193 5.2 13.5

Impreza WRX Sti S202 03 316 1330 238 4.3 12.6

Legacy RSK B4 (import) 99 276 1584 174 5.7 14.0

Celica GT4 94 239 1496 160 6.2 14.5

Golf 2.8 V6 4motion 00 204 1318 155 6.3 14.7

Golf R32 02 237 1477 160 6.1 14.5



Sample of Others (allowing for no 4wd traction)

M3 Coupe (old) 98 321 1471 218 5.1 13.4

M3 Coupe New 02 338 1570 215 5.2 13.4

M5 99 400 1756 228 5.0 13.2

Super 7 R500 00 230 450 511 3.2 11.6

AX GTi 92 95 765 124 8.4 16.9

Focus RS 02 212 1278 166 6.4 14.8

F355 94 380 1422 267 4.4 12.6

360 Modena 02 400 1390 288 4.2 12.4

Civic Type-R 02 197 1204 164 6.5 14.9

Murcielago 02 570 1650 345 3.8 11.8

Elise 1.8i 96 118 723 163 6.5 15.0

Exige 01 192 780 246 4.7 13.1

F1 94 627 1138 551 3.2 11.2

Zonda C12S rwd 02 542 1250 434 3.4 11.4

106 GTi 1.6 97 120 961 125 8.3 16.8

306 GTi-6 2.0 99 167 1215 137 7.6 16.1

Cio Williams 93 150 981 153 6.9 15.4

Clio Sport 172 mk1 00 170 1059 161 6.6 15.1

Clio Sport 172 mk2 02 170 1110 153 6.9 15.3

Clio Sport Cup 02 170 1011 168 6.4 14.8

Griffith 500 93 340 1075 316 4.0 12.2

Tuscan S 01 390 1100 355 3.7 11.9

Cerbera 4.5 98 420 1178 357 3.7 11.9

Golf GTi (mk1) 83 112 906 124 8.4 16.9

Golf GTi 8v 3dr(mk2) 86 112 920 122 8.5 17.0

Golf GTi 16v 3dr(mk2) 92 139 1020 136 7.7 16.1

Golf VR6 96 174 1220 143 7.4 15.8


The formular only requires outright BHP and the weight in KG, thats all! Oh and if its 4wd or not, thats it. No torque, gearatios etc, there are far more many complicated programs but keep it simple and its still not far off.

I am hoping to put the spreadsheet on the internet with 1000+ cars more cars. Hopefully hiding the formulars, and letting users play around with output figures and weight like I can at the moment. Good fun. Call me stato! Comments?


Oh, and just to proove the formulars work with modified cars to I've added:

Escort RS Cosworth (Martin H) REYLAND old car 517bhp 517 1304 396 3.0 11.1

Skyline R33 ABBEY MOTORSPORT genuine 700bhp 700 1500 467 2.8 10.7

Lancer Evo VI RS Norris Designs 586bhp 586 1260 465 2.8 10.8

Attu

Acording to the Bible (you and your Subaru Impreza Turbo) the figures quoted by Autocar are

Turbo 2000 (mar 1994-sep 1996)
0-60 5.8sec
Standing 1/4 14.7sec (97mph)

Turbo 2000 (oct 1996-Sep 1998)
0-60 5.5sec
Standing 1/4 14.2sec (87mph)

Turbo 2000 (Oct 1998-Sep 2000)
0-60 5.6sec
Standing 1/4 14.3sec (96mph)

STi Type 22B
0-60 5.0sec
Standing 1/4 13.7sec (102mph)

P1
0-60 5.0sec
Standing 1/4 13.7sec (102mph)

New shape WRX
0-60 5.7sec
Standing 1/4 14.5sec (95mph)

Andy

chrisp

Subaru Impreza WRX Type RA 00 276 1240 223 ?.? ??.?

Must be close, maybe a need a Type RA (FQ) badge .