MY01 PPP...
10 August 2001, 08:44 AM
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For those among you that are waiting for ppp you may be interested to know what a difference it makes to a standard wrx thats allready been run in.
Those UK300 boys can't tell you because the jammy gits have got ppp from the start
they've not put up with sluggish midrange, hesitation at 6,000rpm and a feeling that there isn't the oomph there should be! 
well i have for 5 flipping months
but.....
all is about to change!
I'll post my comparrison of std V ppp very, very soon.
Tiggs
Just thought i'd get you excited!
Those UK300 boys can't tell you because the jammy gits have got ppp from the start
they've not put up with sluggish midrange, hesitation at 6,000rpm and a feeling that there isn't the oomph there should be! well i have for 5 flipping months
but.....all is about to change!
I'll post my comparrison of std V ppp very, very soon.
Tiggs
Just thought i'd get you excited!
10 August 2001, 09:03 AM
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Tiggs,
From one of your previous posts i guess you are having it done next week at the same time as the Eibach springs, very interested to have more info on both mods, how DID you manage to get your PPP so early?????
simon.
From one of your previous posts i guess you are having it done next week at the same time as the Eibach springs, very interested to have more info on both mods, how DID you manage to get your PPP so early?????
simon.
10 August 2001, 05:11 PM
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mezzer,
as your cars always weighed down with so much dirt (ever heard of a sponge) i doubt it would be a fair comparisson.
bobafett,
insurance- i expect so but mine and mezzers cars are insured by our firm so i've no idea by how much.
cost- £1600
Getting- an ecu, intercooler thingy??, de-catted mid section and backbox, but i ain't no expert so check elsewhere for the exact details (there's no shortage of threads!)
Dave,
"a couple of weeks" - i'll be waiting for you then
tiggs
as your cars always weighed down with so much dirt (ever heard of a sponge
) i doubt it would be a fair comparisson.bobafett,
insurance- i expect so but mine and mezzers cars are insured by our firm so i've no idea by how much.
cost- £1600
Getting- an ecu, intercooler thingy??, de-catted mid section and backbox, but i ain't no expert so check elsewhere for the exact details (there's no shortage of threads!)
Dave,
"a couple of weeks" - i'll be waiting for you then
tiggs
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10 August 2001, 07:48 PM
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scoobyboy,
correct, but the UK300's that went for PPP got it straight away so, unless i'm mistaken, no one on here has run a WRX for 5,000 miles plus (properly run in) then put PPP on it.
Tiggs
correct, but the UK300's that went for PPP got it straight away so, unless i'm mistaken, no one on here has run a WRX for 5,000 miles plus (properly run in) then put PPP on it.
Tiggs
11 August 2001, 01:20 AM
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tiggs.....
dirt, negative just brake dust cos ive got the car to drive if u no what i mean 
not just to make it look like a tart's car 
late ters! as ppp'd car drivers often say :
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dirt, negative
just brake dust cos ive got the car to drive if u no what i mean not just to make it look like a tart's car late ters! as ppp'd car drivers often say
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11 August 2001, 06:47 AM
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Your right no one has done 5000 miles and then fitted a PPP. However I did run my UK300 for 2000 miles before fitting the PPP, so have seen the difference before and after.
Jonathan
Your right no one has done 5000 miles and then fitted a PPP. However I did run my UK300 for 2000 miles before fitting the PPP, so have seen the difference before and after.
Jonathan
11 August 2001, 11:23 PM
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The kit must be filtering through as Nobles (Edinburgh) fitted 4/5 PPP kits to WRX's last week and were also fitting one to a UK300 while I was there today.
It won't be long.
However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.
It won't be long.
However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.
12 August 2001, 12:24 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by keo:
<B>The kit must be filtering through as Nobles (Edinburgh) fitted 4/5 PPP kits to WRX's last week and were also fitting one to a UK300 while I was there today.
It won't be long.
However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.[/quote]
I doubt you will be able to transfer the kit. An MY00 kit wont fit an MY01 and the engines arent that much different on paper (bhp wise although conponents have ie intercooler is bigger on the MY01 but has a more restrictive exhaust). You wont get a great deal back on the kit when you sell the car, as mods are worht very little secondhand. The only real way to get any money back on it is to have the kit removed and then sell it secondhand for a UK MY01 which hasnt been PPP.
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<B>The kit must be filtering through as Nobles (Edinburgh) fitted 4/5 PPP kits to WRX's last week and were also fitting one to a UK300 while I was there today.
It won't be long.
However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.[/quote]
I doubt you will be able to transfer the kit. An MY00 kit wont fit an MY01 and the engines arent that much different on paper (bhp wise although conponents have ie intercooler is bigger on the MY01 but has a more restrictive exhaust). You wont get a great deal back on the kit when you sell the car, as mods are worht very little secondhand. The only real way to get any money back on it is to have the kit removed and then sell it secondhand for a UK MY01 which hasnt been PPP.
cheers
chrisp
12 August 2001, 12:35 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by keo:
<B>However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.[/quote]
The way I understand it, removing the PPP from a MY01 will not be as easy as with pre 01 models. I believe that with MY00 and earlier you kept the old ECU so it could be refitted in the future, I am told by my dealer that with the MY01 PPP you do not get to keep the ECU so have nothing to refit in the future.
Can anyone with a PPP'ed UK300 or MY01 (if any have been done yet) care to confirm this?
<B>However does anybody know if this upgrade is likely to be transferable to future imprezas, if for argument sake you change car in 3 years time will you have to repurchase the kit or will the old one just bolt on.[/quote]
The way I understand it, removing the PPP from a MY01 will not be as easy as with pre 01 models. I believe that with MY00 and earlier you kept the old ECU so it could be refitted in the future, I am told by my dealer that with the MY01 PPP you do not get to keep the ECU so have nothing to refit in the future.
Can anyone with a PPP'ed UK300 or MY01 (if any have been done yet) care to confirm this?
12 August 2001, 12:53 AM
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The MY00 and prior PPP used a completely new ECU that was sourced from Japan.
The MY01 PPP reuses the existing ECU casing with new boards (a Unichip piggyback it is rumoured?) etc inside. This is the main reason the MY01 PPP is cheaper than the previous one.
You could possibly take the guts out of the modified ECU and put it back to a standard one, depending on what has been done.
I have got this information from an official source....
Best bet is not to worry about what will happen in three years time but fit it and enjoy it now.
The MY01 PPP reuses the existing ECU casing with new boards (a Unichip piggyback it is rumoured?) etc inside. This is the main reason the MY01 PPP is cheaper than the previous one.
You could possibly take the guts out of the modified ECU and put it back to a standard one, depending on what has been done.
I have got this information from an official source....
Best bet is not to worry about what will happen in three years time but fit it and enjoy it now.
12 August 2001, 05:51 PM
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If you went the link route can the chip be reprogrammed for future imprezas. Just trying to check the most cost effective upgrade as warranty protection is not an issue for me.
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12 August 2001, 06:27 PM
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You will probably be able to move a Link (for example) from one MY01 to another. Best ask Bob Rawle though:
bob.rawle@btinternet.com
Biggest advantage of the Link is that it is mapped to your individual car. The PPP comes to a fixed spec for a standard car and that is it.
A PPP UK300 with Scoobysport d/p has been seen to boost to the very limits of the PPP map, it isn't designed to work with it, and is exactly what Prodrive are concerned with.
Each Link is mapped to your individual car, so if you have a full decat system it will be mapped to take this into account. Bob maps his cars so they do not detonate, but KnockLink should also be fitted so any hint of det is picked up.
bob.rawle@btinternet.com
Biggest advantage of the Link is that it is mapped to your individual car. The PPP comes to a fixed spec for a standard car and that is it.
A PPP UK300 with Scoobysport d/p has been seen to boost to the very limits of the PPP map, it isn't designed to work with it, and is exactly what Prodrive are concerned with.
Each Link is mapped to your individual car, so if you have a full decat system it will be mapped to take this into account. Bob maps his cars so they do not detonate, but KnockLink should also be fitted so any hint of det is picked up.
12 August 2001, 06:51 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dave T-S:
A PPP UK300 with Scoobysport d/p has been seen to boost to the very limits of the PPP map, it isn't designed to work with it, and is exactly what Prodrive are concerned with.
Each Link is mapped to your individual car, so if you have a full decat system it will be mapped to take this into account. Bob maps his cars so they do not detonate, but KnockLink should also be fitted so any hint of det is picked up.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dave,
I've heard a rumour that if you change the up-pipe it reduces knock by about 3 degrees, so a ppp car with dp & up-pipe would give less knock,and would be very quick
Scott
A PPP UK300 with Scoobysport d/p has been seen to boost to the very limits of the PPP map, it isn't designed to work with it, and is exactly what Prodrive are concerned with.
Each Link is mapped to your individual car, so if you have a full decat system it will be mapped to take this into account. Bob maps his cars so they do not detonate, but KnockLink should also be fitted so any hint of det is picked up.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dave,
I've heard a rumour that if you change the up-pipe it reduces knock by about 3 degrees, so a ppp car with dp & up-pipe would give less knock,and would be very quick
Scott
12 August 2001, 06:55 PM
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That's an interesting rumour - by strange coincidence I heard an almost identical one only this very week mate (and if H&S haven't made our up-pipes this week so they can be fitted with my AP 6 pots next Saturday I shall go round and kick their collective *****.....)
That's an interesting rumour - by strange coincidence I heard an almost identical one only this very week mate
(and if H&S haven't made our up-pipes this week so they can be fitted with my AP 6 pots next Saturday I shall go round and kick their collective *****.....)
12 August 2001, 07:09 PM
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Dealer Quote "they are on the way"
or in other words
Look up there
come on own up if you have had it done yet or are booked in I want to have ammunition against the dealer tommorow
Cheers
or in other words
Look up there
come on own up if you have had it done yet or are booked in I want to have ammunition against the dealer tommorow
Cheers
12 August 2001, 07:10 PM
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Dave
I'm away in Frankfurt next wednesday til friday and have arranged with Pete to drop it off wednesday morning. so it looks like i might have mine first
just in time for Powerengineering on saturday and Banzai on monday
scott
BTW I'm hoping to get into the 4's to shut up those anti-01 people
Our cars would be nice to compare once you get your Link
I'm away in Frankfurt next wednesday til friday and have arranged with Pete to drop it off wednesday morning. so it looks like i might have mine first
just in time for Powerengineering on saturday and Banzai on monday
scott
BTW I'm hoping to get into the 4's to shut up those anti-01 people
Our cars would be nice to compare once you get your Link
12 August 2001, 08:06 PM
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Phil,
1. Yes PPP ordered.
2. No, no deposit paid.
3. Yeah right, the Subaru pigs are flying high. No date yet.
4. Tileys of Bristol.
I have also had the Full ScoobySport system fitted but after reading some of the comments regarding PPP and DeCat systems together, have decided to take off the ScoobySport and try just PPP.
simon.
[This message has been edited by PCB (edited 12 August 2001).]
1. Yes PPP ordered.
2. No, no deposit paid.
3. Yeah right, the Subaru pigs are flying high. No date yet.
4. Tileys of Bristol.
I have also had the Full ScoobySport system fitted but after reading some of the comments regarding PPP and DeCat systems together, have decided to take off the ScoobySport and try just PPP.
simon.
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12 August 2001, 08:58 PM
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My dealer has strict instructions from IM
That there are to be NO modifications to the standard car or they will not be allowed to to fit PPP
any deviation will be punished by death (or similar)
Phil
[This message has been edited by phil_stephens (edited 12 August 2001).]
My dealer has strict instructions from IM
That there are to be NO modifications to the standard car or they will not be allowed to to fit PPP
any deviation will be punished by death (or similar)
Phil
[This message has been edited by phil_stephens (edited 12 August 2001).]
13 August 2001, 08:19 PM
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you lucky B*****D
I will be ringing my dealer in the morning
And try and persuade him to chase IM again
I will update if I have any luck
In the meantime has anyone else had NEWS
Phil
you lucky B*****D
I will be ringing my dealer in the morning
And try and persuade him to chase IM again
I will update if I have any luck
In the meantime has anyone else had NEWS
Phil