good news for SUL runners - Start using shell.
15 August 2001, 10:36 PM
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Was speakin to a contact inside shell today.
As from 14th Sept they are changing SUL in there pumps to something that is supposedly the same / to do with the fuel Ferrarri uses in its race teams.
It has a higher octane rating than normal SUL and Shell is doing it specially for those with high performance cars in mind.
I could not get any offical octane rating, only told that it was 'significantly higher' than current SUL at the pumps.
It will be the same price as Shell's current SUL.
It is already being shipped to certain Shell stations (It will be added to existing tanks of SUL, with the idea that by the 14th Sept the tanks will be full with the new stuff as the normal shell SUL will have been used by then.)
Shell have already got new promo material already printed ready to start advertising this new SUL for its launch on 14th Sept.
(This may also tie-in to other threads running which quoted cars running better on Shell SUL than Esso).
I know of one garage near me that is currently selling the new stuff, but its still badged as Shell SUL. Will let you know how the car goes when i get a full tank of it tomorrow.
As from 14th Sept they are changing SUL in there pumps to something that is supposedly the same / to do with the fuel Ferrarri uses in its race teams.
It has a higher octane rating than normal SUL and Shell is doing it specially for those with high performance cars in mind.
I could not get any offical octane rating, only told that it was 'significantly higher' than current SUL at the pumps.
It will be the same price as Shell's current SUL.
It is already being shipped to certain Shell stations (It will be added to existing tanks of SUL, with the idea that by the 14th Sept the tanks will be full with the new stuff as the normal shell SUL will have been used by then.)
Shell have already got new promo material already printed ready to start advertising this new SUL for its launch on 14th Sept.
(This may also tie-in to other threads running which quoted cars running better on Shell SUL than Esso).
I know of one garage near me that is currently selling the new stuff, but its still badged as Shell SUL. Will let you know how the car goes when i get a full tank of it tomorrow.
15 August 2001, 10:46 PM
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I've been running exclusively on Optimax for about a year now. Compared to the other Aussie fuels, it's outstanding. Only problem is you have to reduce your oil change intervals (although they won't tell you that).
15 August 2001, 10:59 PM
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trouble is Shell is sooo expensive. In Swindon the Shell garage charges 10p more for SUL than NUL per litre. 
Thats 7p more than the Esso stations. You could by the Esso SUl and add an octane booster for less.
May be Esso will respond with a comparable product at a cheaper price.....................?
Thats 7p more than the Esso stations. You could by the Esso SUl and add an octane booster for less.May be Esso will respond with a comparable product at a cheaper price.....................?
15 August 2001, 11:16 PM
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From what i've read/seen the esso sul has a lower octane rating than advertised anyway (a lot quote a higher rate on the pump than your actually getting).
But imagine this new stuff plus octane booster - sounds like fun to me!
Saying that, if i was that worried about the cost of fuelling i wouldnt have bought a scoob, and definately not my sti!! hehehe - more expensive SUL with higher rating + octane booster sounds cheaper than an engine rebiuld to me
[This message has been edited by ptholt (edited 15 August 2001).]
But imagine this new stuff plus octane booster - sounds like fun to me!
Saying that, if i was that worried about the cost of fuelling i wouldnt have bought a scoob, and definately not my sti!! hehehe - more expensive SUL with higher rating + octane booster sounds cheaper than an engine rebiuld to me
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16 August 2001, 09:14 AM
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Good point - might explain why Esso is cheaper.
Anyone know a way of checking Octane ratings of fuel?
Does it cost more to produce SUL hence the price hike, or is it that demand is less and as it's a specialist fuel they feel they can charge more? Is the tax higher? Questions, questions
Good point - might explain why Esso is cheaper.
Anyone know a way of checking Octane ratings of fuel?
Does it cost more to produce SUL hence the price hike, or is it that demand is less and as it's a specialist fuel they feel they can charge more? Is the tax higher? Questions, questions
16 August 2001, 10:35 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by coyote:
<B>Only problem is you have to reduce your oil change intervals (although they won't tell you that).[/quote]
Can you explain why. I'm not that mechanically minded!
Thanks
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<B>Only problem is you have to reduce your oil change intervals (although they won't tell you that).[/quote]
Can you explain why. I'm not that mechanically minded!
Thanks
Andy
16 August 2001, 01:20 PM
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I don't believe that Esso has a lower octane value than any other SUL petrol. The octane rating is a min governed by a British Standard and so would be illegal to sell wrongly described octane (trade descriptions, etc.) The real differences in petrol are the additives that are put in.
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I don't believe that Esso has a lower octane value than any other SUL petrol. The octane rating is a min governed by a British Standard and so would be illegal to sell wrongly described octane (trade descriptions, etc.) The real differences in petrol are the additives that are put in.
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16 August 2001, 01:48 PM
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I don't know enough about oils to tell you exactly why except that it involves the new additives in the fuel (it leaves your engine very clean). Suffice to say that oil analysis shows that oils degrade at a faster rate when this fuel is used. In lots of cars - not just mine. I asked my oil guru if I should stop using the fuel and he said definitely not. Just reduce the change intervals which is not a problem as I use a long life oil anyway.
On the subject of RON.. Random tests have been done over here using a knock engine and the fuels have always been right on the money or slightly over.
On the subject of RON.. Random tests have been done over here using a knock engine and the fuels have always been right on the money or slightly over.
16 August 2001, 04:30 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lunchie:
<B>ptholt
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The octane rating is a min governed by a British Standard and so would be illegal to sell wrongly described octane (trade descriptions, etc.)
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If this is the case, why doesn't somebody (Trading Standards?) do BP for selling SUL 97 RON in Pumps labelled 98 RON
<B>ptholt
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The octane rating is a min governed by a British Standard and so would be illegal to sell wrongly described octane (trade descriptions, etc.)
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If this is the case, why doesn't somebody (Trading Standards?) do BP for selling SUL 97 RON in Pumps labelled 98 RON
16 August 2001, 04:34 PM
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But don't you feel a bit pissed off that LRP now only costs 1p more than Unleaded, and is actually SUL + Additive?
Fortunately my weekend car runs on LRP, which is lucky as it has a 6.3
litre engine.
Fortunately my weekend car runs on LRP, which is lucky as it has a 6.3
litre engine.
16 August 2001, 05:24 PM
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Chris.p thats what i meant when i said above 'From what i've read/seen the esso sul has a lower octane rating than advertised anyway (a lot quote a higher rate on the pump than your actually getting).' Some of the older Esso stations i use quote the original SUL fig of 98 still.
16 August 2001, 05:29 PM
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Jza: "Sorry guys, but +7p a litre is worth it if you get 98 RON!!! Thats about £4 a tank full. Well worth it to me!!!"
Ptholt "if i was that worried about the cost of fuelling i wouldnt have bought a scoob.."
I've seen you guys and others post stuff like this before and don't agree. Yes I bought a Scoob knowing that it's not economical, but you seem to be suggesting that whatever petrol co.s charge you'll pay happily
As with most folks I would assume, about 70% of my driving is back & forth to work in traffic at normal speeds. Thus this makes the extra 7ppl even more expensive for the 30% of the time when I might see a (small) benefit.
We should be forcing petrol companies to offer fuel cheaper and at a realistic & competitive price not giving them a blank chequebook.
Cheaper, quality petrol, means more backlane blats for your money IMO.
Ptholt "if i was that worried about the cost of fuelling i wouldnt have bought a scoob.."
I've seen you guys and others post stuff like this before and don't agree. Yes I bought a Scoob knowing that it's not economical, but you seem to be suggesting that whatever petrol co.s charge you'll pay happily
As with most folks I would assume, about 70% of my driving is back & forth to work in traffic at normal speeds. Thus this makes the extra 7ppl even more expensive for the 30% of the time when I might see a (small) benefit.
We should be forcing petrol companies to offer fuel cheaper and at a realistic & competitive price not giving them a blank chequebook.
Cheaper, quality petrol, means more backlane blats for your money IMO.
16 August 2001, 05:41 PM
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Does anyone know why 98 RON SUL was reduced to 97 RON? ages before i got my scoob i would have placed any money on SUL being 98 RON, although i have never had the need to use it before i noticed it was there sort of thing.
When i got my scoob and whent to fill up i was rather surprised to see 97 RON on the pump.
Did the price of it drop when it was reduced to 97 RON? and why reduce it anyway?
Anyone?
16 August 2001, 08:24 PM
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Adding 1 ml per litre of NF to 98 made that much difference ????? Should give you around 6kw extra @ the wheels.
The NEW Nitrous web site should be up by the end of the month.
Adding 1 ml per litre of NF to 98 made that much difference ????? Should give you around 6kw extra @ the wheels.
The NEW Nitrous web site should be up by the end of the month.
16 August 2001, 10:10 PM
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You misunderstood my meanings re fuel + scoobs.
I meant if i was that concerned about fuel types and the amount of fuel used etc. I would have bought something more economical.
As for petrol being lowered, course i would love it to be!
Start my new contract today and it cost £30 there and back.
Methinks i'll have to start using a motorbike
I meant if i was that concerned about fuel types and the amount of fuel used etc. I would have bought something more economical.
As for petrol being lowered, course i would love it to be!
Start my new contract today and it cost £30 there and back.
Methinks i'll have to start using a motorbike
16 August 2001, 11:25 PM
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Indeed i run a franchise at two shell petrol stations of which at one we launched 'SHELL OPTIMAX' yesterday (weds) as a trial along with 4 other sites.
This fuel is totally unlike super unleaded and the shell team who design the ferrari f1 fuels have basicly started from scratch and come up with a far superior unleaded like no other in the uk. The octane rating is minimun of 98 and will give all med-high powered cars upto a 5% improvement in acceleration . i have beeen using it for three weeks (4 tanks of 60 litres) and the stuff is like rocket fuel and thats just in my vectra sri 2 litre.
This fuel is the real mccoy and cannot be compaired to any other companys super unleaded i.e bp or texaco + is different from optimax abroad i.e Australia (british optimax is designed for speed of acceleration where as in some other countrys it’s the favourite cos its great on economy-enviroment etc etc)
Hey bp might have fancy internet cafes in their petrol stations but does it make your car goe faster guys and gals.........????????
Shell optimax will role out country wide over the next couple of weeks.
This fuel is totally unlike super unleaded and the shell team who design the ferrari f1 fuels have basicly started from scratch and come up with a far superior unleaded like no other in the uk. The octane rating is minimun of 98 and will give all med-high powered cars upto a 5% improvement in acceleration . i have beeen using it for three weeks (4 tanks of 60 litres) and the stuff is like rocket fuel and thats just in my vectra sri 2 litre.
This fuel is the real mccoy and cannot be compaired to any other companys super unleaded i.e bp or texaco + is different from optimax abroad i.e Australia (british optimax is designed for speed of acceleration where as in some other countrys it’s the favourite cos its great on economy-enviroment etc etc)
Hey bp might have fancy internet cafes in their petrol stations but does it make your car goe faster guys and gals.........????????
Shell optimax will role out country wide over the next couple of weeks.
17 August 2001, 05:09 AM
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I guess this is how urban myths start off ...
I really wonder why Shell designs a "racing" fuel only for the UK, call it Optimax (like in Germany), lowers the octane rating (99 RON in Germany), and claims that cars will "run quicker" with it. Confusing ... Like coyote says: it will do zilch, nada, nothing for Scoobs up to MY00 unless there was some ignition retardation already in the ECU. It may (don't know) give a difference on the MY01 with it's much more "active" ECU.
Oh, and one small other thing... there will be no difference - unless the UK is totally different from the rest of the world - in the SUL fuels you buy from the bigger sisters. Do some research on distribution logistics, and you will understand why the base fuel is exactly the same apart from the additives package.
This must cost Shell a fortune BTW, just to please the 1 % performance car owners.
Also funny why in the home land of Ferrari, you can only buy 95 RON (max) and nobody ever heard of octane booster there ...
I really wonder why Shell designs a "racing" fuel only for the UK, call it Optimax (like in Germany), lowers the octane rating (99 RON in Germany), and claims that cars will "run quicker" with it. Confusing ... Like coyote says: it will do zilch, nada, nothing for Scoobs up to MY00 unless there was some ignition retardation already in the ECU. It may (don't know) give a difference on the MY01 with it's much more "active" ECU.
Oh, and one small other thing... there will be no difference - unless the UK is totally different from the rest of the world - in the SUL fuels you buy from the bigger sisters. Do some research on distribution logistics, and you will understand why the base fuel is exactly the same apart from the additives package.
This must cost Shell a fortune BTW, just to please the 1 % performance car owners.
Also funny why in the home land of Ferrari, you can only buy 95 RON (max) and nobody ever heard of octane booster there ...