Link or Apex-i
16 August 2001, 01:31 PM
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Looking at the Link and Apex-i boost and fuel control systems there doesn't appear to much difference.
Both a similar price
Both have det protection etc
Anybody out there with experince of these systems that could offer advice/guidance/help.
(the Apex-i does have those very nice displays though
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Both a similar price
Both have det protection etc
Anybody out there with experince of these systems that could offer advice/guidance/help.
(the Apex-i does have those very nice displays though
)
16 August 2001, 01:35 PM
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I dont know much about the Apexi. What I do know is that this board gives you access to some people with proven competence at mapping a link. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Apexi
16 August 2001, 02:57 PM
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Blue,
I went down the Apexi AFC and AVC-R route mid last year after blowing a piston due to excessive boost. The amount I spent I now know I could have purchased a link ECU and have had it set up.
Looking back at my purchase decisions I would have bought the link ~ however the motorsport place advised on the APEXI kit.
I do like the AVC-R features via the screen regarding max boost reached and the information it provides. However if I had the money I'd still get a link ECU fitted so that it sorts out the ignition advance and fueling allowing me to run more than 1.3bar. Then I'd use the APEXI kit for boost monitoring.
However it seems one hell of an expensive set up... I could have had MoTeC for the equivalent of APEXI + Link
DUH !
Mark
I went down the Apexi AFC and AVC-R route mid last year after blowing a piston due to excessive boost. The amount I spent I now know I could have purchased a link ECU and have had it set up.
Looking back at my purchase decisions I would have bought the link ~ however the motorsport place advised on the APEXI kit.
I do like the AVC-R features via the screen regarding max boost reached and the information it provides. However if I had the money I'd still get a link ECU fitted so that it sorts out the ignition advance and fueling allowing me to run more than 1.3bar. Then I'd use the APEXI kit for boost monitoring.
However it seems one hell of an expensive set up... I could have had MoTeC for the equivalent of APEXI + Link
DUH !Mark
16 August 2001, 03:21 PM
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Are you suggesting the use of the Link fuel controller and Apexi boost controller?? Mapping would surely be a nightmare, even for those experienced at it.
Costs for the Apexi include all setting up and mapping - did you map your own?
Full Motec is over £2k - well out of the question.
Which system have you ended up with??
Are you suggesting the use of the Link fuel controller and Apexi boost controller?? Mapping would surely be a nightmare, even for those experienced at it.
Costs for the Apexi include all setting up and mapping - did you map your own?
Full Motec is over £2k - well out of the question.
Which system have you ended up with??
17 August 2001, 12:26 AM
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Ive got the Apexi setup on a UK 00 - I think its great 
The cost is £1140 fitted inc VAT and setting up - from DP Motorsport.
The Scooby in Banzai has the Apexi kit 400 ish bhp.
Jeremy
The cost is £1140 fitted inc VAT and setting up - from DP Motorsport.
The Scooby in Banzai has the Apexi kit 400 ish bhp.
Jeremy
17 August 2001, 08:59 AM
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Blue,
No I'm not really suggesting the way forward is to use link + APEXI. However in my situation I already have an APEXI set up and if I decided to go further I think I could use the APEXI Boost controller (in the off position) just for monitoring purposes.
Did I map my own ? No way ! Having blown a piston and replaced with Cosworth pistons there's no way I want to risk another blow up more than I have to.
All inclusive I think my setup was over 1800 notes (Units, fitting and VAT). AVC-R, ACF and BoV.
As I said not **THAT** much more and I could have had MoTeC.
Cheers
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No I'm not really suggesting the way forward is to use link + APEXI. However in my situation I already have an APEXI set up and if I decided to go further I think I could use the APEXI Boost controller (in the off position) just for monitoring purposes.
Did I map my own ? No way ! Having blown a piston and replaced with Cosworth pistons there's no way I want to risk another blow up more than I have to.
All inclusive I think my setup was over 1800 notes
(Units, fitting and VAT). AVC-R, ACF and BoV. As I said not **THAT** much more and I could have had MoTeC.
Cheers
BS
17 August 2001, 11:38 AM
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BS,
Motec would cost quite a bit more.
ECU = £1650
loom adapter = 150
seral cable = 120
mapping = 400 'ish
all + vat circa £2800. The Link is a bargain.
Mark.
Motec would cost quite a bit more.
ECU = £1650
loom adapter = 150
seral cable = 120
mapping = 400 'ish
all + vat circa £2800. The Link is a bargain.
Mark.
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17 August 2001, 01:31 PM
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I know the motor in Banzai as I competed against it last season. (when it didn't have the FMIC !).
It doesn't JUST have the APEXI kit believe me. I know its not running a std ECU thats for sure. (1.6bar boost)
Not sure how much of the motor still says SUBARU on it, but I know its not much
Last season I could about match the times up Harewood when I was running 25PSI of boost on a UK94
[This message has been edited by Blackscooby (edited 17 August 2001).]
It doesn't JUST have the APEXI kit believe me. I know its not running a std ECU thats for sure. (1.6bar boost)
Not sure how much of the motor still says SUBARU on it, but I know its not much
Last season I could about match the times up Harewood when I was running 25PSI of boost on a UK94
[This message has been edited by Blackscooby (edited 17 August 2001).]
17 August 2001, 02:23 PM
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We spoke on the phone - Where's me quote??What sort of boost does yours produce - I've heard the standard UK ungine will cope with upto 1.3 bar - but a lot of people recommend against it.
We spoke on the phone - Where's me quote??What sort of boost does yours produce - I've heard the standard UK ungine will cope with upto 1.3 bar - but a lot of people recommend against it.
17 August 2001, 02:33 PM
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I run 1.3bar from the Apexi on a UK94. However its with :-
Cosworth Forged pistons,uprated rods and crank.
Always on SUL or NUL + booster on road (SUL + booster in competition).
BS
Cosworth Forged pistons,uprated rods and crank.
Always on SUL or NUL + booster on road (SUL + booster in competition).
BS
17 August 2001, 03:04 PM
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My cars set at max 1.35bar but that's with 25% more fuel!
Different tuners say different things!
What you have to careful of is an out of the box performance pack - not all cars are exactly the same. Tuners who tailor mods for individual cars are best, and should prevent engine failures.
Jeremy
Different tuners say different things!
What you have to careful of is an out of the box performance pack - not all cars are exactly the same. Tuners who tailor mods for individual cars are best, and should prevent engine failures.
Jeremy
17 August 2001, 03:43 PM
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Blue,
As far as I'm aware it doesn't the APEXI setup cannot adjust the timing to advance enough to cope with extra boost. This is its major limitation. The AFC does compensate fuelling though.
I can't run extra boost because the ignition can't be adjusted that far to cope with more, and the top mounted intercooler just can't cool the intake temps enough. Therefore I was told that I would need to change the ECU to run more boost.
(If only I was told this in the first place
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Its is quite quick don't get me wrong, but "I need more ~ give me more power!"
BS
[This message has been edited by Blackscooby (edited 17 August 2001).]
As far as I'm aware it doesn't the APEXI setup cannot adjust the timing to advance enough to cope with extra boost. This is its major limitation. The AFC does compensate fuelling though.
I can't run extra boost because the ignition can't be adjusted that far to cope with more, and the top mounted intercooler just can't cool the intake temps enough. Therefore I was told that I would need to change the ECU to run more boost.
(If only I was told this in the first place
)Its is quite quick don't get me wrong, but "I need more ~ give me more power!"
BS
[This message has been edited by Blackscooby (edited 17 August 2001).]
20 August 2001, 11:16 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>
It doesn't JUST have the APEXI kit believe me. I know its not running a std ECU thats for sure. (1.6bar boost)
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The car did have a chip change but this has since been binned, it is running the standard ECU.
The Apex kit takes over the fueling and boost.
Jeremy
It doesn't JUST have the APEXI kit believe me. I know its not running a std ECU thats for sure. (1.6bar boost)
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The car did have a chip change but this has since been binned, it is running the standard ECU.
The Apex kit takes over the fueling and boost.
Jeremy
20 August 2001, 04:54 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trout:
<B>A question to satisfy my curiosity.
How does the Apexi provide knock control? Is this through ignition retardation? So is it a full replacement ECU or a piggyback?
Trout[/quote]
The standard engine has a knock sensor this is retained in the APEX setup.
Jeremy
<B>A question to satisfy my curiosity.
How does the Apexi provide knock control? Is this through ignition retardation? So is it a full replacement ECU or a piggyback?
Trout[/quote]
The standard engine has a knock sensor this is retained in the APEX setup.
Jeremy
20 August 2001, 08:43 PM
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Hi guys..
I think you lot are talking about various Apexi kits/products.
There is:
AVC-R - Boost controller (like the EVC)
S-AFC - Fuel computer - piggy back unit that adjusts fuelling only
ITC - Timing computer - piggy back unit that just controls timing
PowerFC - replacement ECU
J.
I think you lot are talking about various Apexi kits/products.
There is:
AVC-R - Boost controller (like the EVC)
S-AFC - Fuel computer - piggy back unit that adjusts fuelling only
ITC - Timing computer - piggy back unit that just controls timing
PowerFC - replacement ECU
J.
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