P1 vs Type R
14 June 2015, 07:54 PM
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To be fair it was never going to sell for 25k especially on an enthusiasts board where a percentage of people know their $hit...
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
14 June 2015, 08:02 PM
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To be fair it was never going to sell for 25k especially on an enthusiasts board where a percentage of people know their $hit...
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
14 June 2015, 08:20 PM
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Oh my, seriously!
I can find myself getting sucked in though lol..
Having owned a few Type R's, I'd rather not have the dccd to bugger about with to be honest. Yes it's 'cooler' but you don't need it in the real world. Maybe if you're racing or something, but on the road I'd rather not be worrying about it.
I can find myself getting sucked in though lol..
Having owned a few Type R's, I'd rather not have the dccd to bugger about with to be honest. Yes it's 'cooler' but you don't need it in the real world. Maybe if you're racing or something, but on the road I'd rather not be worrying about it.
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To be fair it was never going to sell for 25k especially on an enthusiasts board where a percentage of people know their $hit...
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
How did they deal with the removal of the roof flap then ! Fit a new roof skin !
14 June 2015, 10:42 PM
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Wrong. Subaru Tecnica International reworked the ECU to Prodrives spec so the P1 would pass EU Emissions. But the RB5, PPP cars, WR1, RB320, probably a few others and all the Prodrive Rally cars all had reprogrammed Prodrive ECU's.
But the P1 even without the good bit's weighted more than a Type R. 1240 kg for the R but 1275 kg for the P1.
But the P1 even without the good bit's weighted more than a Type R. 1240 kg for the R but 1275 kg for the P1.
14 June 2015, 11:16 PM
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To be fair it was never going to sell for 25k especially on an enthusiasts board where a percentage of people know their $hit...
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
The P1 looks better than a type r in my opinion, and i dont treat the road like a racetrack so the DCCD makes no odds (even though i have it in my UK 2005 STI)
I like them
14 June 2015, 11:31 PM
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Wrong. Subaru Tecnica International reworked the ECU to Prodrives spec so the P1 would pass EU Emissions. But the RB5, PPP cars, WR1, RB320, probably a few others and all the Prodrive Rally cars all had reprogrammed Prodrive ECU's.
But the P1 even without the good bit's weighted more than a Type R. 1240 kg for the R but 1275 kg for the P1.
But the P1 even without the good bit's weighted more than a Type R. 1240 kg for the R but 1275 kg for the P1.
Also the RB5 ECU was no different to any other UK turbo, still just 215bhp. They did a WR version which had a PPP ecu etc.
14 June 2015, 11:37 PM
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The P1 was never actually mapped to accommodate UK fuel, hence the reason Prodrive used briquettes in the fuel tank. These work for a while but over time they degrade. Maybe this is the reason so many P1's have needed rebuilds.......
Also the RB5 ECU was no different to any other UK turbo, still just 215bhp. They did a WR version which had a PPP ecu etc.
Also the RB5 ECU was no different to any other UK turbo, still just 215bhp. They did a WR version which had a PPP ecu etc.
But I beg to differ on the ECU as the briquettes alone would not get past the EU emission/homologation laws.
15 June 2015, 07:23 AM
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To be fair it was never going to sell for 25k especially on an enthusiasts board where a percentage of people know their $hit...
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As for the argument which is the better car.....Prodrive take a Version 5 Type R Limited remove the DCCD setp, 2 pot rear calipers, R180 rear diff/shafts and the quick rack and replace it all from parts from a UK turbo and sell the entire package for £30+k.
On the plus side, they did fit a nice rear spoiler..
As you know I already have a Type R so I voted which was best and put my money where my mouth was back when not so many were around and not too many people knew what they were almost 10yrs ago.
IMO P1 owners much like all UK versions got mugged off with lower spec inferior cars, which for those of us that know what we're talking about is a plain and simple fact.
That said UK versions by themselves are not bad cars, they're just the poor relation of the Japanese Domestic Market versions.
I don't say that to get anyones back up, it's just the way it is and has been for sometime.
How anyone can say a Classic without DCCD is better than one with it is beyond me, couple of clicks in the wet makes the world of difference to how the car handles bends, and how anyone can live without a rear wiper to help keep an eye out for cops is also beyond me.
ABS is for pussies.
15 June 2015, 08:31 AM
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There was miniscule changes to timing on p1 map and broquettes, other than that same sti map and same consequences.
Nothing to do with emissions, all uk classics (p1 included) got centre cat which isnt needed for pass.
Cant say i was fan of dccd either but better rear hubs/brakes/bearing and diff is no brainer. Deletion of abs another positive.
Rest is styling apart from change of springs.
Nothing to do with emissions, all uk classics (p1 included) got centre cat which isnt needed for pass.
Cant say i was fan of dccd either but better rear hubs/brakes/bearing and diff is no brainer. Deletion of abs another positive.
Rest is styling apart from change of springs.
15 June 2015, 09:25 AM
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I've owned both, all be it 5 years apart (P1 1st) and I can honestly say i'd never own another P1 based on a few factors.
Type R gives a better driving experience
Type R has a better spec (folding mirrors, double din, dccd, rear wiper etc)
P1 made me paranoid of rust/arches and I hated the ABS
P1 made me feel like I owned little more than a special uk2000
Type R ALWAYS gets more praise than the P1 did.
Luckily I sold the P1 when prices were strong and I didnt miss it at all. It was only when a friend took me in a v4 Type R 2 years ago that I knew it was the 2 door I should have bought in the 1st place.
Only 1 thing bugs me about the Type R and its the factory tinted side and rear window. From the side of the car it looks in 2 halves as the front windows are clear, whereas the P1 looked fresher with clear glass. Just need to find 2 P1 side rear side windows as I'm not a fan of the tint.
Type R gives a better driving experience
Type R has a better spec (folding mirrors, double din, dccd, rear wiper etc)
P1 made me paranoid of rust/arches and I hated the ABS
P1 made me feel like I owned little more than a special uk2000
Type R ALWAYS gets more praise than the P1 did.
Luckily I sold the P1 when prices were strong and I didnt miss it at all. It was only when a friend took me in a v4 Type R 2 years ago that I knew it was the 2 door I should have bought in the 1st place.
Only 1 thing bugs me about the Type R and its the factory tinted side and rear window. From the side of the car it looks in 2 halves as the front windows are clear, whereas the P1 looked fresher with clear glass. Just need to find 2 P1 side rear side windows as I'm not a fan of the tint.
15 June 2015, 12:32 PM
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Whats is it that every P1 owner cant handle? that some slanty eye little nip has kicked the f**k out the the type r smash it then get their mate in sweat shop to fix it then get their granny to spray it then sell to their cousin who then puts it up as a grade 7 mint car haha, i work over in their country and i see how they drive and treat their cars am not saying every type r is a binner but exporting it to uk is getting rid of a bad egg off their hands.
15 June 2015, 12:45 PM
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Whats is it that every P1 owner cant handle? that some slanty eye little nip has kicked the f**k out the the type r smash it then get their mate in sweat shop to fix it then get their granny to spray it then sell to their cousin who then puts it up as a grade 7 mint car haha, i work over in their country and i see how they drive and treat their cars am not saying every type r is a binner but exporting it to uk is getting rid of a bad egg off their hands.
but that said, p1 owners all treat theres with kid gloves? i think not lol
type r is a more hardcore spec than a p1, but depends if you wanna be a softey
15 June 2015, 12:53 PM
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Haha i think most of the P1 owners are going to hold on them thinking they will rise in value while the type r will be thrased and binned and ready for all rusty P1's to be reshelled.