Well the Focus RS just went AWD
03 February 2015, 03:00 PM
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Well the Focus RS just went AWD
Third-generation Ford Focus RS will powered by a 2.3-litre EcoBoost engine producing 316bhp, and gets all-wheel drive for the first time, reports say the engine should be good for 340bhp
Pricing etc next month
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...usive-pictures
Pricing etc next month
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...usive-pictures
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03 February 2015, 04:50 PM
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Dam that's impressive, I feel everyone on this forum should post this and the spec to Subaru, they first try to discontinue the wrx and sti range due to little interest.
Its not that the UK is not interested, its because Japan insist we want what the Americans want big engines with poor bhp
Its not that the UK is not interested, its because Japan insist we want what the Americans want big engines with poor bhp
03 February 2015, 05:13 PM
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The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
03 February 2015, 05:26 PM
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Most people who buy them will leave them standard, its mainly the used market that people going for high bhp.
I would say most people want a car that's fast from new, rather than having to buy a under powered car and then make it fast.
I would say most people want a car that's fast from new, rather than having to buy a under powered car and then make it fast.
I doubt it if the engines running 316bhp and it's only going to be good for 340bhp that's already pretty close to it's limit on standard internals, when you consider that a Blob STI is good for 450bhp all day long and the gearbox is good for 600bhp, it doesn't leave much scope or compare well, they should be making it good for 500bhp with a gearbox and running gear to match IMO considering it's a niche market model that will have a limited production run and be bought by enthusiasts for the most part.
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
03 February 2015, 05:27 PM
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I doubt it if the engines running 316bhp and it's only going to be good for 340bhp that's already pretty close to it's limit on standard internals, when you consider that a Blob STI is good for 450bhp all day long and the gearbox is good for 600bhp, it doesn't leave much scope or compare well, they should be making it good for 500bhp with a gearbox and running gear to match IMO considering it's a niche market model that will have a limited production run and be bought by enthusiasts for the most part.
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
Watch the vid Ditch, you seem to be off the mark.
03 February 2015, 05:57 PM
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I doubt it if the engines running 316bhp and it's only going to be good for 340bhp that's already pretty close to it's limit on standard internals, when you consider that a Blob STI is good for 450bhp all day long and the gearbox is good for 600bhp, it doesn't leave much scope or compare well, they should be making it good for 500bhp with a gearbox and running gear to match IMO considering it's a niche market model that will have a limited production run and be bought by enthusiasts for the most part.
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
The extra cost is probably peanuts too at point of manufacture, certainly compared to what it will cost to have it rebuilt to take 500bhp.
I certainly won't be buying one, even my crappy WRX is good for 350bhp and it's not the "Performance model"
If anyone has bothered to look at the contruction of teh 2.3 ecoboost - as featured in the Mustang (I read alot of US tuner websites/mags).
They'll note the biggest differnce to this engine compared to ANY other engine is the exhaust manifold is now part of the cylinder head. This is a pretty big deal....a long time ago, pre-war vehicles along with heavy duty stationary engines had siamesed inlet or exhaust ports or runners that form part of the head or block. So Ford reverting back to this setup is quite an interesting one. It maybe restrictive above a given gas flow, but it puts the turbo very close to the ports so there are pros and cons.
That means, porting, custom headers, injectors, or fancy/larger turbos is going to be very very difficult to do. So bar winding up the boost on the existing turbo and maybe forging a few bits, there is little scope on these units without spending big money. I'm sure Stu will find out pretty soon though
03 February 2015, 06:07 PM
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Ok watched a few of the vids and I'm not impressed TBH, Only thing I like about it is the seats.
I know this is going to sound a bit RS Matt but it's got anything that would make me want to part with my WRX Wagon AND £30k and most definitely once I finish my next round of mods on the Wagon which will cost roughly £3k mine will p!ss all over it if I so desire.
I'm all about value for money and for me it's really not, I can think of so many things I'd rather do with £30k than spend it on a poxy Ford.
Sorry but it's not for me, dare I admit I'd sooner get the BMW 135i at least that has a certain amount of prestige, even though it doesn't handle in the wet.
Actually scratch that, I wouldn't get one of those either, for the same reasons really, £30k down the toilet IMO.
I know this is going to sound a bit RS Matt but it's got anything that would make me want to part with my WRX Wagon AND £30k and most definitely once I finish my next round of mods on the Wagon which will cost roughly £3k mine will p!ss all over it if I so desire.
I'm all about value for money and for me it's really not, I can think of so many things I'd rather do with £30k than spend it on a poxy Ford.
Sorry but it's not for me, dare I admit I'd sooner get the BMW 135i at least that has a certain amount of prestige, even though it doesn't handle in the wet.
Actually scratch that, I wouldn't get one of those either, for the same reasons really, £30k down the toilet IMO.
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03 February 2015, 06:35 PM
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Im not so interested in the price Ditch, Im not buying one. You talked of 320bhp and not being able to map etc but there are some who say it will have 350bhp. Ford have only told us that it will have more than 320bhp but are keeping their cards close.
It can send 70% of power to either one of the rear wheels if it likes and is showing lift off oversteer
with Kenny at the wheel.
It will no doubt have a great re sale value so 30k wont be quite so bad, not when compared to the competition who loose money hand over fist.
I know someone that put a deposit down on the last RS and made money on it before he even got the car. People will be selling their place on the order forms for these.
Proper hot hatch.
It can send 70% of power to either one of the rear wheels if it likes and is showing lift off oversteer
with Kenny at the wheel.It will no doubt have a great re sale value so 30k wont be quite so bad, not when compared to the competition who loose money hand over fist.
I know someone that put a deposit down on the last RS and made money on it before he even got the car. People will be selling their place on the order forms for these.
Proper hot hatch.
Only 316BHP?
03 February 2015, 07:25 PM
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Same engine as Ford put in there entry level pick- ups over the pond , 2015 strategy marketing , bigger is not allways better ... Yea whatever ,
