dabiscuit

Just wondering as many people on here really don't rate them. I've got orange stuff pads and if they're good enough for godspeed they're good enough for me.
Surely it depends on peoples driving styles. Is there a one size fits pad?

NotFromSomerset

Very happy with my orangestuff pads as well. Do hear a lot of people having longevity problems with other ebc models though...

stonejedi

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I have tried quite a lot of different disc and pad set ups over the years and the EBC products are not fit for purpose,I know people have used the orange and blues and told me that They were better then there previous attempts,but with so much quality disc and pads out there there is no need to chance a set of EBC pads when there quality control or there actual compound is not consistent and after trying the orange pads for myself and them crumbling in front of my eyes I would never put them on any car that I drive or recommend them to anyone or try them ever again,even if they were given to me for free and that's saying something.SJ.

ST-X

The problem with EBC is that every pad they launch is 'the best pad ever' yet a year later a new one is out and the old one downgraded. Redstuff used to be the high end track only pad, now you'd barely consider fitting it to a Focus diesel. Then came Yellowstuff, which were 'trackday or race and totally unsuitable for road use'. Lo and behold Bliuestuff then came along and were marketed as the same while the Yellowstuff became fast road. Now they're up to Orangestuff. Bluestuff are OK for fast road, but do run out after some persistent use. I've not used Orangestuff but I imagine they're reasonable as a track or fast road pad. Truth be told though there are others that are far better out there. I mean how long have DS2500 been around for? They're still awesome pads ten years on from when I first used them!

Their high end stuff is OK, their entry level stuff is poor, and there are plenty of better alternatives on offer from just about every other company that come in cheaper; either per pad, or per mile because they just last so much longer.

urban

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Because they're shyte?

dabiscuit

Could it be people are just not running them in properly?

stonejedi

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No that's not the problem at all,there just not good enough for high powered cars end of.If six out of ten of there pads work as by some of my mates own feedback do,it's still not good enough for me as I said before I don't know where there problem lies if it is the actual compound or there quality control is far from being up to scratch and lets everything through even if it does not pass there standard just to make a quick buck either way it's far from acceptable now is it?As this problem with ebc brand/quality has been going on for years now,in my eyes purchasing there pads are not worth the hassle as I'm not into chance or guess work.SJ.

Murrayf99

EBC is a good budget pad. Not to be confused with a good high end of the market pad.

Subaru's sold to the public are built for the road for the power quoted of that stock model. If you add power or change the environment, e.g. to a track (or both!) then you are pushing beyond what the design of the set up was intended for.

Sure aftermarket discs and pads can go some way to meet these parameters, but if you really want your modified and/or track car to really stop, you need bigger brakes.

stonejedi

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There not budget though are they? They still command a premium price compared to other makes of pad that would put them to shame,with quality and durability.SJ.

Steve_PPP

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There is more to it than just pad material itself, they react differently to different caliper and disc setups.

I wouldn't use green/red/yellow in anything frankly.

I wouldn't use blues in WRX 4 pots ever again, as I've physically managed to melt 2 sets on track within a handful of laps. The compound brakes down and the pad material smears all over the disc and lots of hot chunks fly off and stick to the wheels The cause of this is a lack of heat dissipation from the heavy Subaru 4 pots and smaller discs, so they just cook themselves until they melt.

However, I've used blues on 8 pot ksports (356mm discs) and would recommend them in that setup. I've never had them fade, and done loads of heavy track work with them. The larger caliper and disc vanes setup allows the heat to escape well so the pad says within its heat tolerances. I always get strange looks when i say I run EBC blues in my ksports but everyone is surprised when they sit in the passenger seat on track.....

Moley

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Bluestuff in my AP's were good
Orangestuff (the better pad apparently) were awful, huge fade on track almost resulting in an accident.

Changed to Performance Friction Z rated and they were fantastic

stonejedi

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Do you think then it's more the larger caliper and disc then the actual compound in the ebc pads that make your brakes work well?I bet if you put in another pad on your set up they would probably work even better I have tried three of there compounds on different turbocharged cars and they have been shyte each time.SJ.

stonejedi

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The best,my go to pads for the last 10yrs.SJ.

Tidgy

cos their ****?


after seeing a car go flying by when his brakes are cooked compared to 10 other cars that havn't it left a bad taste in my mouth. Whether they were the right pad compound for the job is unknown though.

to be fair they arn't that bad if correct compound, just similar price alternatives out there that seem to perform better.

ALi-B

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They used to have an appauling reputation; In my case they interfered with the ABS operation when they were cold (3 channel ABS). No good have no brakes and a pulsing pedal when you need to stop; This was a 30mph speeds on dry roads.

Obviously the compounds have changed since my experience, but I wouldn't dare take the risk.

urban

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I tried red stuff pads once on an 05STI.
Lets just say they cost me a set of discs

jay vr6

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Like Steve PPP I use bluestuff on my ksport setup and they are excellent, not tracked the car but for fast road I'm more than happy. certainly get a good feel through the pedal with them from cold and hot.
I did have trouble ordering the new pads though as people on here seem to be dropping the sale of said pads.

dabiscuit

Hope godspeed pick up on this thread and explain why their packages come with oranage stuffs.
Anyway guess I'll run till they run no more and get something better! Normal to occasional fast road use.

Godspeed Brakes

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You'll never get a pad that suits everybody , as everyones driving style is different , I find the orange and blues pads work well for there intended use , I ran the orange in my 600hp GTR , and although they did take a long time to bed in and settle , from there they worked very well and didn't fade at all on the road , and i drove the car very hard.

They are certainly not the best pads out there , but they are no way near the worst , and unfortunately the price has been rising so not as good value as they used to be , but saying that Ferodo DS2500's have shot up even more.

The description of the pads from EBC is a bit OTT as well , they are not as good as they brag them up , if you look at the description of yellows , i'd say this was for blues , and the blue description was meant for the orange , and the description of orange made for CL RC5+

Driving standards come into it a lot , I see people going like hell , slam the brakes on , go like hell ect ect , so that will ask a lot more of the brakes than driving smoother and carrying more speed through a bend with a better driving line , to a lot of drivers , track lessons would go a long way.

T5NYW

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I've ran and are running EBC. Bearing in mind they keep changing compounds to the colours. Ran one red tried and was ****e yet other ok. Similar story on the yellow really.
Apparently the Blue is the new yellow.

The early pads might be ceramic and the better were Kevlar mix or other way round!!!!. Anyway later versions of both were much better having good cold bite good track durability. And fair pad to disc wear rate.

Having also tried DS2500 they were comparable to Brembo pads but not as durable but quieter. Tried the DS3000 they were dangerous when cold as no cold bite at all but good on track.

Pagid were the only pad I'd NEVER put on any of my cars ever again. Cold bite fine but faded on track. Didn't last at all terrible. Great if you want to replace 10 sets of pads to one disc. I wouldn't put them on a child's pram.

I ran performance friction pads and awesome. Although I would say that the brake temps generated a VERY much higher and braided lines and race fluid is a must. I'd recommend that if lots of Trackdays a good cooling down regime is a MUST. Also use same pads front and back to keep brake balance.

Lastly with PF pads I suggest that 114 pcd set up is better on hub bearings

IMHO IIRC

Tony

Steve Whitehorn

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As others have said EBC used to be awfull. No one would go near them for years.
However like some have said, I have also had a good experience with Blues on a 330mm big brake set up. This is the latest incarnation of the pad not the old school rubbish.

I will go for Performance Friction on the next set up

BoozyDave

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I bought a sapphire cosworth that had green stuff pads fitted (they were brand new) I followed the instructions with the bedding in, when bedded in they were terrible, I could have slowed down quicker with standard pads with copper grease all over the face of the pad. I nearly wrote the car off the first time they faded

then I had a 306 hdi and ebc released the 'new' green stuff pad, a mate was bragging about how good they were, so I bought some, what a disappointment

a couple of years ago (std blob wrx) I was slagging off EBC on here and someone from EBC asked if I would change my opinion if they sent me a set of the new red stuff pads for free, I said I would try them and IF they were better than my previous experiences I would change my opinion. but they weren't

so if I was offered some for free now? I wouldn't take the risk

BROOKS1E

i purchased a set of grooved disc`s from Ian some time ago and he recommended the Blue pads to go with them which worked very well on my 55 plate STI both on and off the track, however a couple of friends of mine that had WRX`s that had been remapped etc and where running comparable power to me used the blue`s in the standard WRX calipers and they were absolutely atrocious especially on the track so i would say it depends on what calipers you are using and also discs which obviously on the STI are bigger so the surface area is larger which must help with braking.i was happy with the Blues but did wonder if there was an alternative that i could try and after doing a fair bit of looking on the net i came across Carbotech pads which i thought for the money i would give them a go after they got good reviews..........to say they are like throwing an anchor out the back both on track and on road would be an understatement the only downside is on the road they do squeal a fair bit when cold but if you can live with that they are great and i wont be using anything else (until i find something even better for the money lol )

Guppy88

Ive got a set of Yellow's in the Hawk STI

1 lap of the Nurburgring GP track cooked them. Not up to heavy braking on track from my experience.

Anyone used Pagid pads?

Or am i best heading straight for the DS2500's for fast road and track work (cars not a daily. Used for track work and ocassional fast road)

Godspeed Brakes

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For the money you won't beat CL RC5+ pads , very good even from cold , about £135 a set , but can be squealy with normal driving

Guppy88

Where abouts is the best place to pick up a set?

Cheers

imprezaworks

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Carbone loraine direct

imprezaworks

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Give this chap a ring

http://www.carbonelorrainebraking.co.uk/

Dave Y

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So that's why mine aren't selling!!

Godspeed Brakes

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We hold the CL pads in stock for a next day delivery
Cheers Ian
01656 723060