julian N/W wrx my93

as above.......

i've read about 2.0, 2.33, 2.5 and now 2.8.

i know a 2.5 short bock is around £1200 and al my 2L bits 'just' bolt back on in a fashion.

about to start saving for some work on my car, just don't know wot route!

P20SPD

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It always costs more than you think

quick calculation

1200 2.5 short block with stock rods and pistons
100 Head gaskets
250 New oil and water pump (advisable)
150 New head bolts or studs
400 Various gaskets, oil seals, cam belts, tensioner, etc

2100 already and we have not mentioned the cost of the build, plus any extras that may be needed.

possible/probable extras

300 bigger injectors
1000+ new turbo standard one will be too small imo
1500+ new geabox, standard 5 speed wont cope imo

list goes on, and soon adds up

dont want to add up what mine has cost

CustomScoobyIOM

Me neither......

Good value there Steven.

P20SPD

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the above are probably low estimates, as i am tight, and never work them out properly, oh and dont forget VAT

David_Wallis

wrong...

Engine
Head Gaskets
head bolts/studs
water / oil pump
various seals gaskets etc
New engine Oil
Oil filter..
Bugger cant fit it.. need that oil cooler thingy..
Hmm.. **** need cambelt.. .HOW Much?
Its a bit loose.. oh I need a what? a tensioner? ok Ill take one.. how much?
New clutch - as engine is out anyway..
might as well sort flywheel..
stuff it.. new engine and box mounts whilst they are out..
New Turbo.
Might as well stick some headers on.
New spark plugs
Remap.. ah.. need new ecu..
Gearbox..
hmm rear diff isnt compatible..
Hmm Limited slip diff whilst Im doing it..
Oops propshaft is too long for this damn 6spd box which cost me a fortune..
**** I got no gear ****.
****e no gear linkage..
bugger.. no speed sensor..
oh come on.. what else.. Bloody gearbox oil..

Will this ever end?

Argh.. standard brakes.. best get some bigger brakes..
**** need brake fluid..
might as well get braided brake lines..

****.. standard inlet pipe.. New inlet pipe and nice new filter..

Am I there?

No am i ****..

My suspension is crap..
havent paid the water bill due to spending £xxxx so cant fill the rad.. which incidently needs replacing as its shagged from dropping tools on it. or its rusted away whilst funding this budget project....

Ah ready to start it? nope.. cant afford petrol..

Right ready to start it.. set fuel pressure.. **** std pump, rails, reg and injectors..

Ready for mapping? Nooo..

Knock link
WideBand
Boost Gauge
Oil temp
Oil Pressure
EGT.
Charge temp

Argh..

**** Ive only got a fooking top mount...

David

CustomScoobyIOM

PMSL @ David!!!

That sounds familuar! Literally was PMSL!

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

the comical way to tune, very familiar

the dangerous phrase of "might as well (insertwords), whilst i am at it"

usually means money

CustomScoobyIOM

And more often than not an uprated part that increases it by 0.5bhp

David_Wallis

or saves 2kg or makes it 0.0001 sec quicker.. and more likely to make you think you can push the tuning a little further.. but theres allways another weaker component waiting to fail (when you have no money!)

CustomScoobyIOM

Yeah like the engine

Or that little clutch spring that costs £0.30p and takes a whole day to get too.... ARRGGGH!

Adam M

lets not go downt he route of this conversation.

well wel well over 20k down the line and its not even finished.

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

so all in all i dont think you can do it "cheap" as such

CustomScoobyIOM

Indeed

David_Wallis

agreed.

dowser

Nice one David, LOL - not really funny...but funny!

My actual engine build hasn't cost me much so far...for 2 reasons; haven't paid the builder yet, and the rest of the car is already upgraded ready to go (which just means I've already spent the money......mostly, except for..... )

julian N/W wrx my93

thanks guys.

looks like i'll be doing overtime all year then, 12hrs a day 7 days a week.
welll i'm only young and can manage!

but how do you get it to the various cc sizes? and approx how much for each size? thanks.

oh and any scooby ecus knocking about yet?

David_Wallis

not yet..

2.0 = ej20
2.2 = EJ22 or EJ22T
2.3 ej20 bored and stroked.. using ej25 or billet crank
2.5 Ej25 or EJ257

other possible combinations available.

David

The Fixer

And as for me.......... Excel came up with an error....

Number too large

Conrad

911

But you all missed the fun bit!
Out in the bloody garage, every hour, then the demon tweek isn't, so out it all comes. go racing, find it really is actually slower than last year, but you are a year older too....feeling 10 years older as the cracked knuckles take longer to heal.

After another afternoon trying to fit the sodding box back in on my own, my back is killing me, and my shoulder, and everywhere else thinking about it.

Solution?

Easy, buy Carman's RA cheap, and get started on that one too!

We MUST BE MAD.

911

julian N/W wrx my93

so how do you get to 2.8?
is that the biggest size?

or wots the best size?

thanks.

David_Wallis

3.3 is biggesr..

forget over 2.5 IMHO.. not enough bore / liner thickness..

[personal preference though!]

911

Julian, there is a 2.8 'kit' from Austrailia i think. A few days ago there was a thread/pic of the block. The pistons are almost touching between the bores..........
I'm sure Dave is correct.
911

Trout

iTrader: (1)

David,

but when it comes down to it - all the work to get that extra 0.001s counts on the day - especially when it means winning as opposed to coming second...poor Skyline Nigel

In terms of engine sizes, no proof but my inclination is that a 2.33l that is properly built is about as strong as you are going to get in a Scoob block. The 2.5l cranks have proven to be very strong in Oz, and the block can be made very strong based on an EJ20 CDB.

How much - well it can be a lot - David has merely skimmed the surface - every bit of pipework ends up being custom made - hoses - more hoses - even more hoses for things you have never heard of - all braided.

Yes it is expensive!

Rannoch

Bats-Wrx

iTrader: (1)

Just a little question re:2.33s. How come the EJ22T block aint used for it as it would save having to reliner the block or are you big powered lot using thicker liners than the oe ones?

julian N/W wrx my93

rannoch i remember seeing your car at prosport RR day, impresive!!!!

R19KET

Chris,

The reason the block is re-linered, is mainly because of the position of the gudgeon pin access hole. The new liners don't have these holes, because with a stroked crank, the piston oil control ring comes below the access hole, and there's always a chance that it could foul.

The new liners are stronger too.

Mark.

john banks

Rannoch, can you draw our attention to the particular hoses that you have found to be weaknesses with big power?

Trout

iTrader: (1)

John,

its not the big power - its just all the extra hoses, or things that have been moved around, so that due to heat, longevity or safety then braided will be better. For example air injector to wastegate hoses... power steering pump due to relocated up-pipe, and so it goes on...

David

David_Wallis

john.. on mine it was a case of.. I dont like that phrase 'has a hose just come off' i dont like jubilee clips.. and I got all mine done free

Especially external wastegate hoses that amount of heat.. and awkward to get to..

David

Wonder Wagon

This pic is of the 2.8 Price: $7899.00



this is a pic of a 2.65 Price: $6749.00


more info on there web page http://www.i-speed.us/products/engine/

you can get a 2.5 block for $1,550.00