Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT

I would never buy an Audi, they are pile's of crap driven by *****

Originally Posted by robj2502

Haha bit harsh there mate

Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT

I would never buy an Audi, they are pile's of crap driven by *****

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

So the RS3 is quicker in a straight line and quicker around a track, is nicer to look at and is more practical with 5 doors and 4wd but yet the BMW wins hands down.

Who says unbiased journalism

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

Same could be said about Porsche drivers. You not the chap that blew £100k on a Porsche Carrera?

Should have just bought the Audi R8 V10, much more special in my eyes

Originally Posted by Dingdongler

My diesel 5 series is quick in a straight line and very practical but that doesn't make it fun to drive.

This where perhaps so called fast Audis come a cropper and on the whole M Power (and increasingly AMG) shine.

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

Same could be said about Porsche drivers. You not the chap that blew £100k on a Porsche Carrera?

Should have just bought the Audi R8 V10, much more special in my eyes

Originally Posted by Dingdongler

You mean the ONLY decent drivers car that Audi have in production at the moment?

Personally I would take the Porsche as the R8 looks too flash/garish and also has no back seats. Those two seats can be very useful if you have small kids.

Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT

you're having a laugh now aint ya ( i take it you drive an Audi or at least a fan boy)

I will stick with my 911, like i said Audi are ***** cars so why would i want an overpriced Lambo copy

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

But you have a middle of the range bland Porsche, it's a non turbo, non RS, non GT model. No one bats an eyelid at a Carrera. Sorry, but if you want to go down the path of Audis are for ***** mentality what the hell does that say about Porsche drivers? Most are middle aged balding fat men going through a mid life crisis and needing a **** extension (Porsche badge) to boost their faltering egos.

Sorry, but a Porsche Carrera is bland, boring, and underpowered for a £100k spend. Audi R8 V10 is a masterclass in comparison

Where's the popcorn

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

R8 V10 has the wow factor appeal, its a stunning looking thing that will turn heads wherever it goes. Porsche Carrera, not so, I doubt anyone bats an eyelid when one drives past, its just another ordinary Porsche. (Turbo/GT/RS models are the cars that get the appreciation and the stares)

Granted, I do like the new 991 CS but at £100k with a good spec, too close to turbo and R8 money for my liking. Should be a £75k car maximum.

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

Most probably down to Audi quattro vs M/AMG RWD, the BMW/Mercs are naturally going to be more exciting to drive.

Saying all that, Audi do very well and they design their cars for the mass market where safety (Quattro and understeer) are more important than limited traction and trickier oversteer. They may be less fun to drive but I'd say from a profitability point of view and as a business, Audi win hands down. They have the 4wd market (Audi/BMW/Merc) covered very well. 99% of the driving population do not know what oversteer or understeer are and have no intentions of ever visiting a race track to find out.

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

4.1 to 60 isn't to be sniffed at from 335bhp John, many tests have managed quicker than this with sub 4sec tests.

Still though, I agree, I'm not a fan of the RS3, 5 doors only, heavy, and it's at the end of the 8P life cycle (A new A3 platform has virtually just been released). Saying that, put a map on it and it turns into an 11.6sec 1/4 car which would frighten some GTR's out there.

10 a penny up here John, I have a few colleagues that have 996/997 models and they are always saying how unappreciated their cars feel, but then again there is a Porsche on every street corner up here. (Aberdeen)




The new 991 is getting good reviews and it is a pretty nippy car, no doubts about it, but for me, it's bland, it's boring to look at, it's over priced and it's underpowered and with no forced induction, it's pointless to tune. 400bhp is pretty ordinary in 2012. (£100k spend remember)

I disagree, I would not bat an eyelid at a non Turbo/RS/GT model Porsche, not many people do. 911's are very common cars, afterall, the iconic design has been with us for decades now. Each model change does not drastically change or alter the iconic design of the car, so in my opinion, line something like an R8 up against it side by side, there are no comparisons, 1 is a stunning looking car that will turn heads, the other is a boring bland car that fits in with the crowd. (to me anyway)

Anyway, back on topic, shoddy journalism has BMW beating Audi again, shock horror

Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT

Come to think of it, Audi make some really nice light designs, not content with making funny shapes with the front headlights they are attacking the rears now with LEDs

Cant wait to see their Christmas edition cars

Originally Posted by john banks

All you people with posh cars all around you, it sounds so exciting. For the first 10 minutes of my commute I see more fowl than cars.

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

So the RS3 is quicker in a straight line and quicker around a track, is nicer to look at and is more practical with 5 doors and 4wd but yet the BMW wins hands down.

Who says unbiased journalism

Originally Posted by Saxo Boy

Quicker in a straight-line? From the moment traction was established it was losing - albeit slowly. This means that it would lose every contest of acceleration that doesn't include the 0-30 bit (i.e. nearly every real world application).

Originally Posted by LEO-RS

Yes, the Audi was quicker in a straight line as was clearly shown in the video, It beat it 0-60 and 0-100, look at the breakdown at the end of the video. You state it started making ground 30+ but it was still behind at 100mph and only passed when the Audi was bouncing off its speed limiter.

You have to bare in mind that the RS3 was 100+kg heavier with a lower PWR but still beat it. You make a good point about traction advantage and real world, had the cars been rolling from say 30mph in 2nd gear, who knows, real world a blast upto 100, I think would have been neck and neck. The BMW was no slouch getting off the line, 4.5 is impressive.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

let me qualify by saying I know **** really

but it does seem that the beemer gets an easier ride

the bloke says the beemer has sh1te electronic steering, but this is just an off the cuff, throw away comment (i just seems if it was Audi electronic steering it would have been a MAJOR issue)

how many times did we hear - "the Audi is faster/better, but i don't care"

i used to be massively into windsurfing (still am btw just don't buy the magazines - been there done that)

and one of the biggest brands was Neil Pryde - the BMW of sail makers -- and they always, always got amazing reviews - they did make very very good sails, no doubt (just like BMW)

but the point was, you suspected the journalism was slightly biased by the fact Neil Pryde was by far the biggest advertisers i.e. paid the bills

I bet BMW has the biggest advertising/marketing budget of any car maker in the world

not that it would influence journalist -- just sayin