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Old 05 February 2012, 02:14 PM
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Been out over single lanes with 10-20cms of fresh snow on them in the X5 with its snow boots on. It is awesome.

Totally surefooted. Even more awesome was having been driving reasonably normally I saw a car try and pull out and having moved about a metre was stuck. Had to pull him out.
Old 05 February 2012, 02:29 PM
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Mine's been not too bad without snow boots but the tyres make a world of difference on any car.
Old 05 February 2012, 03:52 PM
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TBH normal tyres on an SUV style car with AWD are pretty good in the snow.

Last year, my Tiguan R-Line never got stuck once, even in the deepest snow. Struggled a couple times, but always freed itself. And that is wearing Pirelli P-Zero's.

Had it out today. And even with nearly worn front tyres, it still climbed snow covered hills with no trouble.
Old 05 February 2012, 04:40 PM
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Funnily enough I was wondering how good a X5 in this weather, with normal tyres though.

This year I might chop the 535d for a 4wd and then buy something fun for me. I dread it snowing when I'm in the 5 series, it is next to useless.
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I've been out in the £1k snotter Pinin today - similar situation, deep snow, country lanes.

No problems whatsoever and I've still got crappy summer tyres on it with less than 4mm tread all round

Don't really need anything else
Old 05 February 2012, 07:12 PM
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These 2 were spotted today in Surrey... not all 4x4 are so good in these conditions



Old 05 February 2012, 07:14 PM
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I expect all 4x4's are good it just down to the driver at the end of the day
Old 05 February 2012, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Anger
These 2 were spotted today in Surrey... not all 4x4 are so good in these conditions



Not sure about the second pic. But the first picture is from last year.

AWD helps. Bad driving doesn't.
Old 05 February 2012, 07:39 PM
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Nothing helps if you have an RR sport with massive wheels and strips of licorice tyres
Old 05 February 2012, 07:45 PM
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Not had any snow yet in sunny...ish Wales
Old 05 February 2012, 07:52 PM
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all Cars are good in the snow its the rubber they have that is the issue
Old 05 February 2012, 07:55 PM
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had to do an early run into Cambridge this morning, and we had a massive dump overnight

Landcruiser took it all in its stride

but boy to people drive fast in these conditions
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I have heard that X5s are pretty average in the snow without snow-boots.

Most of them have 20in wheels though so not entirely a surprise.

The snow-tyres made huge difference where it really counted - changing direction and stopping. Something 4WD only gives you moderate help with.
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I have an X5 and a shogun which we use for towing, in the snow the X5 stays at home it is crap in slippy conditions. Shogun makes light work of bad weather and roads
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Originally Posted by stilover
Not sure about the second pic. But the first picture is from last year.

AWD helps. Bad driving doesn't.

Unfortunately some people think their 2.7 ton 4x4 will stop on a sixpence, even in the snow.
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My Pinin only has 215 section tyres & 16" wheels, which helps.

And it's great for doing snowy doughnuts..... But obviously I'm far to sensible for doing such things
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Funnily enough I was wondering how good a X5 in this weather, with normal tyres though.

This year I might chop the 535d for a 4wd and then buy something fun for me. I dread it snowing when I'm in the 5 series, it is next to useless.
I had to bring my 535d home last night and swap it for my Mrs Mondeo. Only 2" of snow but it really was useless. The Mondeo was fine.
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Originally Posted by Trout
I have heard that X5s are pretty average in the snow without snow-boots.

Most of them have 20in wheels though so not entirely a surprise.

The snow-tyres made huge difference where it really counted - changing direction and stopping. Something 4WD only gives you moderate help with.

When did you put the snow tyres on and which ones are they?
Old 05 February 2012, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MMT WRX
I had to bring my 535d home last night and swap it for my Mrs Mondeo. Only 2" of snow but it really was useless. The Mondeo was fine.

I always try to use my wife's Honda Jazz when it snows, the 5 series could easily leave me stranded sideways across a road. BMW and Mercedes still refuse to release their 4wd systems available on 3/5 and C/E class across Europe and NA in the UK
Old 05 February 2012, 11:46 PM
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Because they know I'd buy one and write tuning software for it I wish they would.
Old 06 February 2012, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
When did you put the snow tyres on and which ones are they?
I do the wheel swap thing - Oct to April winter wheels and tyres - go to the BMW dealer and they swap em back for the 20in Spinnerz for the summer
Old 06 February 2012, 01:12 AM
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It's always amusing to read how people in other countries are allowed to drive in snowy conditions without snow tires. You benefit from snow tires already under temperatures below 6 degrees celsius because of the rubber mixture being better suited for lower temperatures.

I use studded Pirelli Winter Carving Edge on my BMW with LSD, no need for 4wd here The tires make so much more difference than the difference between 2wd and 4wd IMHO. I tried my Type R on summer tires on snow once, it handled like total crap

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Old 06 February 2012, 07:04 AM
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Thing is though, the snow was only on the roads for less than 12 hours. It was 10.5 degrees by lunchtime.
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Errrr - it was -4c here all day! It's now a lot colder!
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Originally Posted by Turbovin
It's always amusing to read how people in other countries are allowed to drive in snowy conditions without snow tires. You benefit from snow tires already under temperatures below 6 degrees celsius because of the rubber mixture being better suited for lower temperatures.
Well, perhaps - but it's when the roads are covered in ice that regular tyres just plain stop working. Here in the UK that normally only happens for a few days a year, so it's not really economic to swap.

That said, after last year's prolonged chaos I bought a set of spare wheels and put Bridgestone Blizzak LM25's on them. They've been on my P1 for the last couple of months, and whilst I can't say I've noticed any real difference from my usual tyres, today (being the first snowy day we've had this winter) could be interesting.
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The tyres I have on the car are not specific snow tyres - maybe a better description would be cold weather tyres giving improved performance below 7deg.

At least around here it is cold and wet and below 7 deg a lot of the winter - especially early mornings taking the kids to school.

Based on my experience so far - a very good investment.

Don't make the mistake to think that winter tyres = snow tyres.

Not at all*










Maybe my thread title should have been Cold Weather Tyres - Awesome (less exciting though!)
Old 06 February 2012, 09:21 AM
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i read that Rome simply banned all cars without snowchains or snow tyres from the road over the weekend

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Old 06 February 2012, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Trout
I have heard that X5s are pretty average in the snow without snow-boots.

Most of them have 20in wheels though so not entirely a surprise.

The snow-tyres made huge difference where it really counted - changing direction and stopping. Something 4WD only gives you moderate help with.
Seconded, our X3 has traction in the snow with it's summer tyres but braking and steering needs a delicate touch. The Impreza however, with it's winter tyres is so much more planted - AWD traction plus the steering and brakes work as well!

Oh, and just because it's something that vexes me... start mini rant - snow tyres are not the same as winter tyres. Snow tyres would be pretty useless for most of the time in the UK winter as the temperatures are not low enough not to mention the fact that, other than a few weeks of the year, there's no snow. Whereas winter tyres are of great benefit in our cold and wet climate and, whilst not as good as a full snow tyre in the white stuff, they are infinitely better than a summer tyre. Mini rant over
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My L200 has all terrain M+S tyres on all year round.

They're fine in the wet (and mus and snow) but obviously on icy roads they need the same care as any other tyre.
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Originally Posted by zip106
My L200 has all terrain M+S tyres on all year round.

They're fine in the wet (and mus and snow) but obviously on icy roads they need the same care as any other tyre.
Not sure if you're referring to my comment re snow tyres not working on our roads but if so, you may be misunderstanding what a "snow" tyre actually is.


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