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Old 20 July 2011, 04:15 PM
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Hello !

Looking to get myself a wee run around thats capable of towing a trailer along with my scooby/trackcar

Willing to spend 2K tops, I do 110 miles a day 5 times a week for work so has to be able to cope with this fine

It has to be turbo diesel

Thats all I require really, comfort/gadgets/age of car doesnt bother me, it must handle reasonably well though

So far I'm looking at

Ford Mondeo LX TDCI

Audi A3

Audi A4

Golf GT TDI

BMW 325 TD E36 (my favourite )

Head says the Mondeos a good buy but my heart wants the BMW, plus its already got a towbar fitted and looks like I could get it cheap

Would appreciate peoples thoughts/suggestions please
Old 20 July 2011, 04:38 PM
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The Mondeo looks best, the others have space ship miles. Although I'm not sure you could legally tow a trailer with your track car/ impreza on due to weight. Have a look here:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/advice/towi...lc.aspx#tw=801
Old 20 July 2011, 05:03 PM
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The way I understand it is the whole load can be upto 3.5 tonnes inc towing car

The trailer + car weight must be less than the towing car weight

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong as i dont fancy doing the B+E iirc part of my license, not for £500 anyway
Old 20 July 2011, 05:16 PM
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I would reccomend a golf gttdi i have one as my run around and its been superb from day one just make sure you get a six speed.
Old 20 July 2011, 05:17 PM
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mitsubishi pajero auto
Old 20 July 2011, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by stef_2010
The way I understand it is the whole load can be upto 3.5 tonnes inc towing car

The trailer + car weight must be less than the towing car weight

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong as i dont fancy doing the B+E iirc part of my license, not for £500 anyway
Your race car & the weight of the trailer would be around 1600kg plus, I guess. Cars generally have a manufacturers max towing limit, I think this limit is approx 75 percent of the car's weight. I'm not sure if any of the runarounds that you like are "man" enough, check manufacturers towing limits.

Pajeros are great for towing but thirsty.

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Old 20 July 2011, 06:42 PM
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I've found these will tow 1600-1800kg... V70 XC

I don't think that the ones on your list will be able to tow that weight sorry.

Tow car search will bring up all the cars that you could use, just put the weights in and search for older cars
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Thanks for the replys

I was considering a 4x4 but thought these might be pretty bad on fuel, anyone own one ?

Originally Posted by 500
I've found these will tow 1600-1800kg... V70 XC

I don't think that the ones on your list will be able to tow that weight sorry.

Tow car search will bring up all the cars that you could use, just put the weights in and search for older cars
I like that

These are the kind of suggestions I was looking for
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This would be perfect then ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-MITSU...item3369af12d5

Are they bad on fuel ?
Old 20 July 2011, 08:09 PM
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I had a golf gt tdi between my Saab and first 320d - I have to say it was a great little motor, very fast for a diesel and very torquey! I have also driven two A4's and quite like them but no way as good as the 3 series in my experience (i'm on my second 3 series, my last one (56 plate) did 210k with me from new in 3.5 years and was still on the same gearbox and clutch - absolute dream and total work horse!).
Old 20 July 2011, 08:16 PM
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Take it you've passed your trailer test mate? Yet another cost... I had to do mine in '09.
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Originally Posted by stef_2010
This would be perfect then ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-MITSU...item3369af12d5

Are they bad on fuel ?
i had one of these only auto my father had exactly the same in manual i would drive mine harder than him but got better fuel economy out of the auto also auto is a lot easier for towing.didn't find it too bad on fuel
Old 20 July 2011, 08:33 PM
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When people are saying its not legal to tow such weights with some of these cars, is that without sitting a test or just in general ?

Glad I asked as I could have made a very stupid mistake

Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Take it you've passed your trailer test mate? Yet another cost... I had to do mine in '09.
I was under the impression that aslong as i'm not over 3.5 tonne and the towing cars heavier than the load then no test is needed ?

Originally Posted by ozzreid1964
i had one of these only auto my father had exactly the same in manual i would drive mine harder than him but got better fuel economy out of the auto also auto is a lot easier for towing.didn't find it too bad on fuel
Thanks
Old 20 July 2011, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ozzreid1964
i had one of these only auto my father had exactly the same in manual i would drive mine harder than him but got better fuel economy out of the auto also auto is a lot easier for towing.didn't find it too bad on fuel
Shogun/pajero's are awful on fuel! all 4x4's are, with the older ones 22mpg is a max and at 550 miles a week, thats not cheap!

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I've seen one of these do over 450k miles!

2.5 V6
Old 20 July 2011, 08:38 PM
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Seat Leon TDI.

Cheaper than the Golf and A3 yet exactly the same vehicle. We've had a 2000 Seat Leon for 4 years and it's been awesome. No issues at all.
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Originally Posted by stef_2010
I was under the impression that aslong as i'm not over 3.5 tonne and the towing cars heavier than the load then no test is needed ?



Thanks
'Fraid not - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...les/DG_4022564

Large goods vehicle and passenger carrying vehicle licences held before 1 January 1997

Since 1 January 1997 all drivers who hold category C or D entitlement have been limited to trailers up to 750kgs MAM; Category C+E or D+E must be held in order to tow trailers in excess of this.


Car driving licence first obtained since 1 January 1997

Drivers who passed a car test on or after 1 January 1997 are required to pass an additional driving test in order to gain entitlement to category B+E and all larger vehicles. In addition to the new driving tests, drivers of vehicles which fall within subcategories C1, C1+E, D1 and D1+E also have to meet higher medical standards.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...es/DG_10013073

Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM

Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.

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Old 20 July 2011, 08:46 PM
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Don't get me wrong, you might be fine if you want to risk it, but this is just a heads up.
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Ye I should have said I'd like it to do 40mpg +

Need to start saving money on fuel, unbelievable how much fuel I put in my cars

How can I be sure when browsing ebay if the cars will tow around 1600 kgs ?

Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
'Fraid not -
More money down the pan

How much did it cost you and where did you do it ?
Old 20 July 2011, 08:52 PM
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i have a navaia excellent one of the best 4x4's ive brought
Old 20 July 2011, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stef_2010
Ye I should have said I'd like it to do 40mpg +

Need to start saving money on fuel, unbelievable how much fuel I put in my cars

How can I be sure when browsing ebay if the cars will tow around 1600 kgs ?



More money down the pan

How much did it cost you and where did you do it ?
It cost me £475 at the time. Maybe a bit more now?

Did it here - http://www.cttstraining.co.uk/

They were top guys running it, great instructors. Too far for you to go no doubt (Bathgate). There will be good places near you.

I even did a wee write up at the time on passionford, cos someone was asking about it on there. Here's the link if it's any help (my username on there is Alan_D) - http://passionford.com/forum/general...ilor-test.html
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Passat TDI 130.

I've just bought one a couple of months ago. Well pleased with it!
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Originally Posted by EddScott
Seat Leon TDI.

Cheaper than the Golf and A3 yet exactly the same vehicle. We've had a 2000 Seat Leon for 4 years and it's been awesome. No issues at all.
Doubt it will be fit for towing your motor and trailer - but an excellent TDI runabout. I bought mine new in 2001, with the 90BHP ALH engine it now has 168K on the clock, and returns on average 54mpg. 21 miles per day over b roads to and from work.

Think I would be favouring an E46 330D manual touring - decent fuel economy, decent amount of torque and shed loads of room in the back. It is also rear wheel drive which is more stable and will offer better traction when towing. Don't forget all towbars are not created equal - make sure you are fitting a class 3 towing hitch.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
It cost me £475 at the time. Maybe a bit more now?

Did it here - http://www.cttstraining.co.uk/

They were top guys running it, great instructors. Too far for you to go no doubt (Bathgate). There will be good places near you.

I even did a wee write up at the time on passionford, cos someone was asking about it on there. Here's the link if it's any help (my username on there is Alan_D) - http://passionford.com/forum/general...ilor-test.html
Thanks for that

i thought you were older than that though

Dont know why
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Nope. Maybe because I'm always posting about boring stuff like economics etc. Lol

Just turned 24 in June!
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I'm older than you

Probably by a matter of weeks !
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maximum weight a mondeo tdci can tow is 1715 kgs, the recommended weight so as not to damage the cutch and drive train is 1279 kgs.

ive got a forester TTB with lpg that I may be selling, was hoping for more than £2k though, was going to advertise it at £2500, lpg kit was nearly £2000. 70p a litre
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Hmmmm

food for thought

Pics, spec ? Kind of mpg do you get ?

I could possibly stretch to it
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And how do you find LPG as I've been leaning towards this, really dont want a deisel !
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In this situation if you have not cot B+E on your Licence the only way you can tow the trailer is;

The Maximum weight of the trailer and Load is less than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle

and

The combination weighs no more than 3500kg.

So to tow your track car you will most likely need to do the +E towing test.
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sorry to sound daft but whats meant by the unladen weight, thats the bit I've never understood


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