Jaguar XKR-S V Nissan GTR (Top Gear)
18 July 2011, 11:33 AM
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Jaguar XKR-S V Nissan GTR (Top Gear)
Although im not a huge fan of either car this was a completely unfair test.
Racing a 560+ RWD car versus a 400bhp 4wd car in the WET with LC was only going to show one winner
Also the same with the cornering. 4wd will always carry more speed in the wet.
Racing a 560+ RWD car versus a 400bhp 4wd car in the WET with LC was only going to show one winner
Also the same with the cornering. 4wd will always carry more speed in the wet.
18 July 2011, 12:05 PM
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Im certainly no expert but why on TG do they always say ooh its so hard to launch a 4WD car so we expect it to be slower off the line? In the wet there is no competition but what about the dry? My own limited experience would suggest the opposite that 4wd is far easier to launch without fear of wheelspin = loss of traction.
18 July 2011, 12:37 PM
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Im certainly no expert but why on TG do they always say ooh its so hard to launch a 4WD car so we expect it to be slower off the line? In the wet there is no competition but what about the dry? My own limited experience would suggest the opposite that 4wd is far easier to launch without fear of wheelspin = loss of traction.
I'd say AWD is easier if you can get over the inhibition of being brutal.
RWD takes more finesse.
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18 July 2011, 12:50 PM
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I thought both times were done in the dry??
Or are you referring to the cornering speed part?
Surely the dry lap times at the end answers in question?
Or are you referring to the cornering speed part?
Surely the dry lap times at the end answers in question?
18 July 2011, 05:29 PM
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Do you think there is any chance the car they used on Top Gear could have been 'tweaked'? I presume it is a press car they're provided with. I'm not saying the car isn't very impressive, it is, it's just that the lap time does seem incredible.
18 July 2011, 05:45 PM
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The old car had 50 HP less and also a 112mph limiter. I'm not sure how much of the TG track is over 112mph, probably quite a lot in a GTR, but the approx 2 sec difference in these circumstances (plus the better Dunlop tyres) isn't that hard to find.
18 July 2011, 06:04 PM
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it would be delimited if it was uk version and it would have won in the dry anyway(doesnt the satnav know when its ona public road or not and delimites accordingly). the gtr is a better car, clarkson likes jag so he wouldnt slag it off for no reason and that front was just wrong on the jag
18 July 2011, 06:08 PM
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All UK GTRs are unlimited in their top speed. However the original GTR that lapped the TG test track was an import that still currently had the 112mph limiter on!
18 July 2011, 06:31 PM
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the gtr is a beast - mental there
but we had the jag a month ish back on the race the runway day, and a few gtr's along with the rest
but the sound off the jag was immense
proper best noise ever from a factory spec car ive ever heard, was really really fantastic!
not a reason itself maybe for the huge price difference lol
i really dont like jags , but that ones a beast
but we had the jag a month ish back on the race the runway day, and a few gtr's along with the rest
but the sound off the jag was immense
proper best noise ever from a factory spec car ive ever heard, was really really fantastic!
not a reason itself maybe for the huge price difference lol
i really dont like jags , but that ones a beast
18 July 2011, 07:14 PM
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I made comments on last nights TG in the GTR thread.
Mods thought best to delete them, as making comments on JAG Vs GTR in a GTR thread is obviously wrong.
Gist I made was it was never fair to have a standing start race with a RWD car against an AWD car. Same as the cornering speed.
Would have been fairer to do both when it was dry. But that would have been fair, which Top Gear rarely are.
Mods thought best to delete them, as making comments on JAG Vs GTR in a GTR thread is obviously wrong.
Gist I made was it was never fair to have a standing start race with a RWD car against an AWD car. Same as the cornering speed.
Would have been fairer to do both when it was dry. But that would have been fair, which Top Gear rarely are.
18 July 2011, 07:33 PM
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I made comments on last nights TG in the GTR thread.
Mods thought best to delete them, as making comments on JAG Vs GTR in a GTR thread is obviously wrong.
Gist I made was it was never fair to have a standing start race with a RWD car against an AWD car. Same as the cornering speed.
Would have been fairer to do both when it was dry. But that would have been fair, which Top Gear rarely are.
Mods thought best to delete them, as making comments on JAG Vs GTR in a GTR thread is obviously wrong.
Gist I made was it was never fair to have a standing start race with a RWD car against an AWD car. Same as the cornering speed.
Would have been fairer to do both when it was dry. But that would have been fair, which Top Gear rarely are.
18 July 2011, 07:42 PM
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Agreed that the GTR spanked the Jag on the lap but i just cant see it being a fair test in the wet. Would be interestin putting the GTR up against the new Ferrari FF
18 July 2011, 07:47 PM
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Well, you say that. But at the standing start, the GTR was away. By the flag the Jag was a lot closer.
Maybe in the dry the Jag might have actually won. Guess it must do, as to why Top Gear decided it fair to do the race in the wet.
As for the track time. Yeah the GTR is faster than most things around a track. Still doesn't mean it would have wasted the Jag in a straight line.
Maybe in the dry the Jag might have actually won. Guess it must do, as to why Top Gear decided it fair to do the race in the wet.
As for the track time. Yeah the GTR is faster than most things around a track. Still doesn't mean it would have wasted the Jag in a straight line.
18 July 2011, 08:08 PM
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It`s all academic.
When you buy a car you can`t say I`m not going to drive today, as its raining and thats unfair.
Its the Uk so test in the dry, wet, snowy, and foggy lol.
When you buy a car you can`t say I`m not going to drive today, as its raining and thats unfair.
Its the Uk so test in the dry, wet, snowy, and foggy lol.
18 July 2011, 08:22 PM
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Well, you say that. But at the standing start, the GTR was away. By the flag the Jag was a lot closer.
Maybe in the dry the Jag might have actually won. Guess it must do, as to why Top Gear decided it fair to do the race in the wet.
As for the track time. Yeah the GTR is faster than most things around a track. Still doesn't mean it would have wasted the Jag in a straight line.
Maybe in the dry the Jag might have actually won. Guess it must do, as to why Top Gear decided it fair to do the race in the wet.
As for the track time. Yeah the GTR is faster than most things around a track. Still doesn't mean it would have wasted the Jag in a straight line.
It also seems a reasonable assumption that a rwd car with more bhp and torque than an awd car will be able to demonstrate it's strength on the top end ability
18 July 2011, 08:51 PM
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Was the Jag closing on the GTR?
GTR top speed is 10mph greater than the Jag.
Why shouldn't a RWD car be able to go through a corner in the wet quickly? I thought AWD only helped traction out of corners
I expected and wanted the Jag to do better as I thought it or the normal XKR would be worth keeping an eye on. But the loss of performance is considerable.
GTR top speed is 10mph greater than the Jag.
Why shouldn't a RWD car be able to go through a corner in the wet quickly? I thought AWD only helped traction out of corners
I expected and wanted the Jag to do better as I thought it or the normal XKR would be worth keeping an eye on. But the loss of performance is considerable.
18 July 2011, 11:07 PM
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Last time I looked the 2012 GTR was around the 530bhp mark. Up in power from around 480 in the previous version.
Stella car for the mere 70k price tag!
18 July 2011, 11:19 PM
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id normally agree ^^^
but you have to here that jag on full throttle
its truley awsome sounding,
it beat the gtrs of old in my experience
and never thought id say it - looks million time better than the gtr - obv an individual opinion
but you have to here that jag on full throttle
its truley awsome sounding,
it beat the gtrs of old in my experience
and never thought id say it - looks million time better than the gtr - obv an individual opinion
18 July 2011, 11:33 PM
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As Clarkson said the GTR is the cuting edge of what is capable with a road car and given that it isn't surprising how much it was faster by. A good car vs a great car!!
