graeme jones

Had a blast against one tonight on motorway from 55mph up to 3 digits and couldnt catch up but he never lost me was exactly the same i backed off as he cut someone up to make sure he stayed ahead which is wreckless.
Didnt realise they were that quick but same bhp and probably lighter thn an impreza?

The Chief

My buddies wife has one and i've drove it, people laugh at the hairdresser girly image but underneath they are 4wd 225bhp car. They'll crack 60 in 6 seconds and will do a genuine 150mph - remapped they are proper quick.

Its just the image that lets them down (well for hairy arsed blokes anyway)

s70rjw

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Is your WRX standard?

corradoboy

On a motorway my diesel Skoda would give you a run for your money. Repeat the challenge on a decent A/B road and realize the better chassis, suspension, drivetrain and 4WD system are leagues ahead of the pretty Audi. They are lovely cars, with build quality and refinement that Scoobs can't even dream of, but they are not a true drivers car. Motorways are not true drivers roads either

graeme jones

yeah completely

deangtiuk

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They aren't proper 4WD, they are pretty poor handling too, as said on the Mway, it's not a proper road so handling and traction poor doesn't really come into it, it's all about Torque.

corradoboy

Hence why I said my little diesel hunchback would possibly surprise you. 312 torques and minimal FWD transmission losses Aerodynamics of a house-brick though

The Chief

I'm sorry but you might get a shock even on the twisty stuff against a decent driver in a TT. they might only have a Haldex 4wd system and the steering imo is a bit wooden but they grip like **** and it would take a highly modded wrx or a fookin' looney to convincingly pull away from a TT.

I've been down a few twisty Welsh roads in the mentioned TT with my mate and i'm telling you now i couldn't have gone much faster (if at all) in my old Scoob.

You would be talking silly, silly speeds before the benefits of a WRX would be apparent.

ScoobyDoo555

Only ever had one play with a TT back when I had my Scoob - he was behind me, and stayed there. EVen though he did try to overtake at a STUPID speed - tried to go past like I was stood still BUT then his girlfriend must have gripped his middle leg, and he pulled back in.

I'd been prepared to let him pass - it's wasn't worth the grief

Don't like em though - upturned jelly moulds A totally useless car for me (like the Scirocco)

Dan

graeme jones

i like the tt not liking the old shape anymore or lack of back seats for my 2 boxer dogs and yep they do do in my scoob and yes it gets cleaned all the time lol.
it did make me want to get mine tuned to 330bhp nd would have kicked *** then but pockets empty at moment get married in 3 months

corradoboy

View my car in my garage to see how a WRX can be almost unbeatable on the road Power isn't the be all My mates 06 STi is running 330bhp and there's no chance in Hell he'd have stayed with me on a good road I've driven Scoobs of many types from Classic to Hawkeye, JDM and UK, standard to seriously mod'd, and every time I reach the same conclusion; sort the suspension and handling out before looking at any power mods. Trust me !

s70rjw

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Power wise, as you say, both 225 bhp.As you say, the Impreza is far from the quickest car in a straight line. Its qualities lie in traction in all weathers. With a few suspension mods, it can be made to handle far better than standard. I wouldn't get hung up about it, enjoy it and relish the traction out of corners..........

deangtiuk

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The TT is a p##s poor design of a 4wd drive system, I feel far more confident in a scoob round twisties as i know what's gonna happen unlike the TT, maybe it's the driver as there is no way a standard TT would keep with a standard WRX. IMHO.

Norman Dog

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Shame on you! Beaten by a puffs/hairdressers car...
Time for you to get modding.

At least you can console yourself that you drove home in a MANS car.

corradoboy

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Norman Dog

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monotokpoint

I'm gay and so is my Scooby. Gayest car I've owned actually.

J4CKO

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TT's are actually pretty heavy, circa 1500 kilos, more for the cab.

Its funny how the Impreza boys call them gay, the TT owners tend to be the one that pull the birds (or boys), the Subaru brigage too busy hanging round rally stages, with other men, in the dark.

Dont know why Gay is considered such a slur on here ?

Jimpreza

Bummer

LG John

I know I shouldn't. I really, really, really know I shouldn't.



but..........

LG John

<sigh>

LG John

......you are wrong! On a motorway we are assuming fairly flat and straight roads and that the vehicles are already moving at a minimum of 50mph. In race conditions such as these it's all about bhp. This is why, for example, a half-decent hatch from yesteryear such as an early 172, *****, etc would be able to keep up with my uncles X5 3.0TT diesel. I know.....I raced one when driving it and my millions or torques made fack all difference after his needle sweeped past 5k

graeme jones

i didnt get beat just kept up with it from 60 onwards.the standard wrx is good from 60 but not exactly going to blow ya pants off as said before its all about the handling and powering out of twisties and point to point work and this situation was the opposite.
I am hoping to upgrade brakes and suspension then go for stage one mods.99% certain of promotion in work so hopefully affford it soon

corradoboy

Saxo, the reason a 172 will keep up with an X5 is down to it weighing less than a fart and having little drivetrain resistance. The X5's engine alone is probably heavier than the 172, so throw in the AWD set-up and an extra 2 tonnes and you'd need serious power to stand a chance. My 180bhp Fabia can stick with a 300bhp Impreza in a top gear straight line drag, proven. The 300bhp Scoob had just 290 lb/ft of torque, and a resistant and heavy 4WD system to drive, as well as a few kilo's more, so it was game over when my 312 lb/ft propelled my lighter, less wheel drive car into the lead

LG John

Obviously the definitive factor is weight/bulk/losses in the example I mentioned but high bhp cars still and will always walk high torque cars in a straight line. It's a very simple fact of physics: one is a force and the other is a measure of work. To move a mass from a-b in a specific period of time requires a specific amount of work.

I've been on both sides of the coin many times either driving the high-revving, higher powered car or that fat torqued turbo petrol or diesel car. A good example was when a D5 volvo caught me napping in the S2000 and was moments later dispatched by 7000-8900rpm.

J4CKO

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I wish I had gone for the Fabia VRS instead of my Saab, they sound hillarious.

skinters

In almost all cases where the cars are 'flat out'

1) - bhp to wheels per tonne always wins below about 100mph for non-silly power cars.

2) Above that , bhp always wins.

3) Torque means nothing unless the car with more bhp is in the wrong gear.

I have yet to find anything that disproves this.

vindaloo

Oh gawd, I know I shouldn't but...

FIAT Coupe is faster than Audi TT - discuss.

Both standard cars, reasonably new at the time.
220bhp vs 225 bhp
1300KG vs 1440kg
2WD vs 4WD

Both cars have better CofD and a smaller cross section than any saloon car. Coupes don't count!

J.

LG John

First of all 140kg is not insignificant but 5bhp when you've already got 220-odd is. What also should be noted is FWD vs 4WD affords the Fiat another slight advantage as does it's shape. It's a no brainer based on that information alone that the Fiat will be faster...I don't even know nor need to look up their respective torque figures although I suppose the point of your post is that the fiat has more?

The key point I repeatedly try to make is that soooooo many people on here seem to have it in their head that for straight-line racing a big torque advantage can overcome a big horsepower disadvantage. That is just plain wrong!

Lets say we build two cars of identical shape and weight on a RWD platform. We fit a 300hp petrol straight 6 engine with a torque output commensurate with such a unit. We fit a 230bhp turbo diesel to the second car and gear them both to suit their respective power bands. Now we race them in a straight line and it'll come as absolutely no surprise that the petrol car will win! It doesn't matter how monster the diesel's torque is it's simply not making up a 70bhp (or even a 50bhp) disadvantage!

However, build the same two cars, fit the petrol 300bhp engine and now fit a 285bhp 6-cylinder turbo diesel with massive torque and race them. In this spot it's feasible that the diesel could be faster and that's because the petrol engine probably peaks 300bhp at 7500rpm, but only makes 275bhp at 6500rpm and 250bhp at 5500rpm. The diesel OTOH probably makes it's full 285bhp quota from 2500rpm-5000rpm and can effectively work harder. Save for these situations where the engines are relatively even then power is king