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02 October 2008, 09:43 AM
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Alfa Romeo 147
Morning all,
my dad has wanted an Alfa for ages (aye I know who doesn't) but only recently has been in a position to go for one. He's thinking a 147 as it has a smaller, cheaper engine - he doesn't do too many miles - but will also have enough room for 5 should we go up to nan's etc.
For one that's about 4 - 6 years old what are the common problems to be looked out for. I've owned Fiats etc and the common problems there are endless
but can anyone shed any light please? Preferably from personal experience.
Thanks,
psigeek
my dad has wanted an Alfa for ages (aye I know who doesn't) but only recently has been in a position to go for one. He's thinking a 147 as it has a smaller, cheaper engine - he doesn't do too many miles - but will also have enough room for 5 should we go up to nan's etc.
For one that's about 4 - 6 years old what are the common problems to be looked out for. I've owned Fiats etc and the common problems there are endless
but can anyone shed any light please? Preferably from personal experience.Thanks,
psigeek
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I had one for over a year and was great, no problems that weren't self inflicted.
I had the 2.0 TS Lusso with selespeed (which I didn't really get on with but worked fine). No faults at all apart from the dealer network being poor at best.
I would have another but it would be GTA but they are still doing stupid money.
I had the 2.0 TS Lusso with selespeed (which I didn't really get on with but worked fine). No faults at all apart from the dealer network being poor at best.
I would have another but it would be GTA but they are still doing stupid money.
02 October 2008, 10:08 AM
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I had one for over a year and was great, no problems that weren't self inflicted.
I had the 2.0 TS Lusso with selespeed (which I didn't really get on with but worked fine). No faults at all apart from the dealer network being poor at best.
I would have another but it would be GTA but they are still doing stupid money.
I had the 2.0 TS Lusso with selespeed (which I didn't really get on with but worked fine). No faults at all apart from the dealer network being poor at best.
I would have another but it would be GTA but they are still doing stupid money.
Anyone else have anything to add?
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I have a face lift 2004 156 JTD m-jet Lusso. Both the 147 and 156 have the same underpinnings. Overall, my 49k mile example has caused me no problems yet, just normal service and consumables. I know ALL 4 cylinder petrol Alfa's [bar the new generation] have 3 year or 36k mile cambelt services. I know my dealer had a deal with Alfa, which they kept quiet about, where a cambelt service was £299. A bargain.
So, there are lots of cars that have had snapped cambelt repairs, this is a dodgy area, as crap builds WILL rear their ugly heads [no pun intended] some years later. So buy the best car you can, FSH, 1 or 2 owners and an enthusiast preferably.
As far as which engine/spec to go for, they are all crap on fuel and may struggle to hit 30mpg combined, inc the 1.6. The lusso is the soft one with nice toy's the 'SE' spec if you will. The Veloce is the 'sport' spec, tricked suspension/wheels but slightly lower spec, no leather etc. The turismo is the base IIRC - no point in going there?
It is a buyers market, so find the right car, check glasses guide and buy at trade money to give you a guide on what you should pay, sadly
But enjoy the right car, they are great to own
So, there are lots of cars that have had snapped cambelt repairs, this is a dodgy area, as crap builds WILL rear their ugly heads [no pun intended] some years later. So buy the best car you can, FSH, 1 or 2 owners and an enthusiast preferably.
As far as which engine/spec to go for, they are all crap on fuel and may struggle to hit 30mpg combined, inc the 1.6. The lusso is the soft one with nice toy's the 'SE' spec if you will. The Veloce is the 'sport' spec, tricked suspension/wheels but slightly lower spec, no leather etc. The turismo is the base IIRC - no point in going there?
It is a buyers market, so find the right car, check glasses guide and buy at trade money to give you a guide on what you should pay, sadly
But enjoy the right car, they are great to own
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Yeah, "clutchless manual" they called it. Quite cool to use the paddles or stick for sequential shifts and had a full auto mode for the mrs.
But I didn't like when it would change down for you and I would sometimes end up with double downshifts as I made one just as the car did and you're suddenly at 4000 revs in first from 1500 in third, shooting across junctions.
The interior was great and it was pretty agile for what it was.
I went to an A3 and I've said before on here - the Alfa was designed, the Audi was engineered.
They've done a couple of nice specials as well, the TI was nice and the Ducati Corse is a great looking diesel but quite new.
But I didn't like when it would change down for you and I would sometimes end up with double downshifts as I made one just as the car did and you're suddenly at 4000 revs in first from 1500 in third, shooting across junctions.
The interior was great and it was pretty agile for what it was.
I went to an A3 and I've said before on here - the Alfa was designed, the Audi was engineered.
They've done a couple of nice specials as well, the TI was nice and the Ducati Corse is a great looking diesel but quite new.
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I have a face lift 2004 156 JTD m-jet Lusso. Both the 147 and 156 have the same underpinnings. Overall, my 49k mile example has caused me no problems yet, just normal service and consumables. I know ALL 4 cylinder petrol Alfa's [bar the new generation] have 3 year or 36k mile cambelt services. I know my dealer had a deal with Alfa, which they kept quiet about, where a cambelt service was £299. A bargain.
So, there are lots of cars that have had snapped cambelt repairs, this is a dodgy area, as crap builds WILL rear their ugly heads [no pun intended] some years later. So buy the best car you can, FSH, 1 or 2 owners and an enthusiast preferably.
As far as which engine/spec to go for, they are all crap on fuel and may struggle to hit 30mpg combined, inc the 1.6. The lusso is the soft one with nice toy's the 'SE' spec if you will. The Veloce is the 'sport' spec, tricked suspension/wheels but slightly lower spec, no leather etc. The turismo is the base IIRC - no point in going there?
It is a buyers market, so find the right car, check glasses guide and buy at trade money to give you a guide on what you should pay, sadly
But enjoy the right car, they are great to own
So, there are lots of cars that have had snapped cambelt repairs, this is a dodgy area, as crap builds WILL rear their ugly heads [no pun intended] some years later. So buy the best car you can, FSH, 1 or 2 owners and an enthusiast preferably.
As far as which engine/spec to go for, they are all crap on fuel and may struggle to hit 30mpg combined, inc the 1.6. The lusso is the soft one with nice toy's the 'SE' spec if you will. The Veloce is the 'sport' spec, tricked suspension/wheels but slightly lower spec, no leather etc. The turismo is the base IIRC - no point in going there?
It is a buyers market, so find the right car, check glasses guide and buy at trade money to give you a guide on what you should pay, sadly
But enjoy the right car, they are great to own
Thanks again
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Yeah, "clutchless manual" they called it. Quite cool to use the paddles or stick for sequential shifts and had a full auto mode for the mrs.
But I didn't like when it would change down for you and I would sometimes end up with double downshifts as I made one just as the car did and you're suddenly at 4000 revs in first from 1500 in third, shooting across junctions.
The interior was great and it was pretty agile for what it was.
I went to an A3 and I've said before on here - the Alfa was designed, the Audi was engineered.
They've done a couple of nice specials as well, the TI was nice and the Ducati Corse is a great looking diesel but quite new.
But I didn't like when it would change down for you and I would sometimes end up with double downshifts as I made one just as the car did and you're suddenly at 4000 revs in first from 1500 in third, shooting across junctions.
The interior was great and it was pretty agile for what it was.
I went to an A3 and I've said before on here - the Alfa was designed, the Audi was engineered.
They've done a couple of nice specials as well, the TI was nice and the Ducati Corse is a great looking diesel but quite new.
would have a lot of work on to convince that one. Thanks for your reply!
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check out
alfaholics.com. soem nice cars for sale.
a friend did buy one (not from there) hugeeeeee money pit of a car.
personally wouldn't toouch anything fiat/alfa.
brand new punto/stilo thing ws following me the other night- with one fog light flashing on and off all the time !!! great build quality.
alfaholics.com. soem nice cars for sale.
a friend did buy one (not from there) hugeeeeee money pit of a car.
personally wouldn't toouch anything fiat/alfa.
brand new punto/stilo thing ws following me the other night- with one fog light flashing on and off all the time !!! great build quality.
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I had a 156 Selespeed Veloce for 20months from new.
Nothing major went wrong but had a fair few niggles with suspension and steering bushes knocking as well as a few trim rattles.
What made it worse was the absolutley useless dealer network who could never fix the car on the first or sometimes second or third attempt.
I loved the car but the ownership experience wasn't good, plenty of frustration and hassle and I wouldn't buy another.
Have a look at www.alfaowner.com
Cheers
Lee
Nothing major went wrong but had a fair few niggles with suspension and steering bushes knocking as well as a few trim rattles.
What made it worse was the absolutley useless dealer network who could never fix the car on the first or sometimes second or third attempt.
I loved the car but the ownership experience wasn't good, plenty of frustration and hassle and I wouldn't buy another.
Have a look at www.alfaowner.com
Cheers
Lee
02 October 2008, 08:13 PM
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The 147 JTDm is a great little engine, 16v and 150 bhp, had mine since May done 7000 miles and been great, cant get less than 47mpg, if you get a non friday afternnon car they are really good, its a little bit different to the run of the mill stuff, not alot of room in the back, lusso is a nice spec, (after the subaru has good headlights ) paint quality superior to the subaru, the selespeed has proved to be troublesome ( only available on petrol ) fuel ecom on petrols not that good either. get one 3 years old and all the previous owners have took the depreciation hit.The dealer network has been radically changed so in theory the service should be better, there are lots of independants with good reputations. buy wisely and you will enjoy it !
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I've got an 02 147 as my everyday runabout. It's a 1.6 Lusso with about 60K on the clock. I've had it for over a year now and it has proved to be a great little car. There are plenty around so walk away from anything that isn't perfect - that means a FSH and make sure that the cambelt has been changed - Alfa used to specify 72000 miles, but that was changed to 36000 a few years back.
If you can't see that it has been done, walk away or factor in 500 - 700 quid to do it. The telltale sign of a wearing cambelt is if it sounds like a diesel when the (petrol) engine first starts up.
Sump plugs can have problems too - the sump is aluminum which means that the thread for the sump plug can get worn - dodgy dealers will say that you need a new sump (£500), a good dealer will just install a small re-threaded tube that should cost no more than £60.
Also watch oil consumption - it's just an Alfa thing - some cars use more oil than others - get into the habit of checking it on regular basis and you'll be fine.
Find a good independent dealer - I'm lucky, I have Alfa Aid in Maidenhead who are brilliant - all complete Alfa nuts who know the cars inside out. Adrian the owner, didn't mention anything else to me that I should look out for.
Chris
If you can't see that it has been done, walk away or factor in 500 - 700 quid to do it. The telltale sign of a wearing cambelt is if it sounds like a diesel when the (petrol) engine first starts up.
Sump plugs can have problems too - the sump is aluminum which means that the thread for the sump plug can get worn - dodgy dealers will say that you need a new sump (£500), a good dealer will just install a small re-threaded tube that should cost no more than £60.
Also watch oil consumption - it's just an Alfa thing - some cars use more oil than others - get into the habit of checking it on regular basis and you'll be fine.
Find a good independent dealer - I'm lucky, I have Alfa Aid in Maidenhead who are brilliant - all complete Alfa nuts who know the cars inside out. Adrian the owner, didn't mention anything else to me that I should look out for.
Chris
04 October 2008, 06:39 PM
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I've had my 147 for just under 4months now, its a 2001 147 1.6ts Lusso with 74,000miles on it (it had 68,000 when i bought it). All i can say is your Dad will love it! Its just a great car to be in and drive, the 1.6 is quite underpowered for the weight of the car but the noise and handling makes up for that!
Although i do love my car i have had some bad bad times with it already (most not the cars fault) but the main ones are that my drivers side footwell leaks badly and i cannot find out where the water is getting in, the airbags don't work, the suspension squeaks and sometimes i can't engage Reverse.
What you need to look out for are
-When was the cambelt tensions and variator changed. If the car sounds like a tractor on start up it *isn't* the cambelt, its the variator. You need to remove the cambelt to change the variator so best to get done at the same time.
-Body Control Unit, this controls things like Airbags/lights etc. So make sure on test drive that all the warning lights are out and that the odometer isn't flashing.
-Suspension, the dampers are crap nuff said.
-Gearbox, even new they don't feel tight, more like stirring porridge. On test drive its easy to spot one thats on its way out.
-Oil, some use loads others use hardly any. Mine is very good this way, -hardly ever need to top up, my friends on the other hand needs topped up every week!
-Leaking passenger footwell, it is aparently due to a blockage on the Aircon pipe that leads to it.
There is more but to be honest, my car pisses me off something shocking but then i go for a drive in it and all is forgiven
The week I bought mine even though it was serviced before i bought it with a new cambelt, i sent it to a specialist to get a full blown uber service including sparkplugs, cambelt and variator. I didn't really need to do this but trust me do it, it'll give you piece of mind. Don't let a dealer do it, get a Alfa Specialist, from my early experience they are BETTER!
This is my baby!
Since getting it i've:
-Installed a kenwood headunit and amp with Kicker XPL sub and Alpine TypeR front speakers
-Lowered 30mm on eibach springs
-clear indicators
-Alfa 147 matts
-CSC mild steel exhaust (not yet fitted)
-K&N replacement Panel Filter(don't get a K&N induction, the TS don't like it)
-www.scoobyireland.com sticker
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Although i do love my car i have had some bad bad times with it already (most not the cars fault) but the main ones are that my drivers side footwell leaks badly and i cannot find out where the water is getting in, the airbags don't work, the suspension squeaks and sometimes i can't engage Reverse.
What you need to look out for are
-When was the cambelt tensions and variator changed. If the car sounds like a tractor on start up it *isn't* the cambelt, its the variator. You need to remove the cambelt to change the variator so best to get done at the same time.
-Body Control Unit, this controls things like Airbags/lights etc. So make sure on test drive that all the warning lights are out and that the odometer isn't flashing.
-Suspension, the dampers are crap nuff said.
-Gearbox, even new they don't feel tight, more like stirring porridge. On test drive its easy to spot one thats on its way out.
-Oil, some use loads others use hardly any. Mine is very good this way, -hardly ever need to top up, my friends on the other hand needs topped up every week!
-Leaking passenger footwell, it is aparently due to a blockage on the Aircon pipe that leads to it.
There is more but to be honest, my car pisses me off something shocking but then i go for a drive in it and all is forgiven
The week I bought mine even though it was serviced before i bought it with a new cambelt, i sent it to a specialist to get a full blown uber service including sparkplugs, cambelt and variator. I didn't really need to do this but trust me do it, it'll give you piece of mind. Don't let a dealer do it, get a Alfa Specialist, from my early experience they are BETTER!
This is my baby!
Since getting it i've:
-Installed a kenwood headunit and amp with Kicker XPL sub and Alpine TypeR front speakers
-Lowered 30mm on eibach springs
-clear indicators
-Alfa 147 matts
-CSC mild steel exhaust (not yet fitted)
-K&N replacement Panel Filter(don't get a K&N induction, the TS don't like it)
-www.scoobyireland.com sticker
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its a bit like Variable Valve Timing as far as i'm aware, not a very good description but i don't know how it works to explain it.
and yes the 159 is alot more reliable by all accounts!
and yes the 159 is alot more reliable by all accounts!
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I had a 156 Selespeed Veloce for 20months from new.
Nothing major went wrong but had a fair few niggles with suspension and steering bushes knocking as well as a few trim rattles.
What made it worse was the absolutley useless dealer network who could never fix the car on the first or sometimes second or third attempt.
I loved the car but the ownership experience wasn't good, plenty of frustration and hassle and I wouldn't buy another.
Have a look at www.alfaowner.com
Cheers
Lee
Nothing major went wrong but had a fair few niggles with suspension and steering bushes knocking as well as a few trim rattles.
What made it worse was the absolutley useless dealer network who could never fix the car on the first or sometimes second or third attempt.
I loved the car but the ownership experience wasn't good, plenty of frustration and hassle and I wouldn't buy another.
Have a look at www.alfaowner.com
Cheers
Lee
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The 147 JTDm is a great little engine, 16v and 150 bhp, had mine since May done 7000 miles and been great, cant get less than 47mpg, if you get a non friday afternnon car they are really good, its a little bit different to the run of the mill stuff, not alot of room in the back, lusso is a nice spec, (after the subaru has good headlights ) paint quality superior to the subaru, the selespeed has proved to be troublesome ( only available on petrol ) fuel ecom on petrols not that good either. get one 3 years old and all the previous owners have took the depreciation hit.The dealer network has been radically changed so in theory the service should be better, there are lots of independants with good reputations. buy wisely and you will enjoy it !
. Another one recommending the independent route over the dealer ey? Though if I'm honest I could say the same about some of my Subaru experiences. 47mpg is respectable though mate!
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I've got an 02 147 as my everyday runabout. It's a 1.6 Lusso with about 60K on the clock. I've had it for over a year now and it has proved to be a great little car. There are plenty around so walk away from anything that isn't perfect - that means a FSH and make sure that the cambelt has been changed - Alfa used to specify 72000 miles, but that was changed to 36000 a few years back.
If you can't see that it has been done, walk away or factor in 500 - 700 quid to do it. The telltale sign of a wearing cambelt is if it sounds like a diesel when the (petrol) engine first starts up.
Sump plugs can have problems too - the sump is aluminum which means that the thread for the sump plug can get worn - dodgy dealers will say that you need a new sump (£500), a good dealer will just install a small re-threaded tube that should cost no more than £60.
Also watch oil consumption - it's just an Alfa thing - some cars use more oil than others - get into the habit of checking it on regular basis and you'll be fine.
Find a good independent dealer - I'm lucky, I have Alfa Aid in Maidenhead who are brilliant - all complete Alfa nuts who know the cars inside out. Adrian the owner, didn't mention anything else to me that I should look out for.
Chris
If you can't see that it has been done, walk away or factor in 500 - 700 quid to do it. The telltale sign of a wearing cambelt is if it sounds like a diesel when the (petrol) engine first starts up.
Sump plugs can have problems too - the sump is aluminum which means that the thread for the sump plug can get worn - dodgy dealers will say that you need a new sump (£500), a good dealer will just install a small re-threaded tube that should cost no more than £60.
Also watch oil consumption - it's just an Alfa thing - some cars use more oil than others - get into the habit of checking it on regular basis and you'll be fine.
Find a good independent dealer - I'm lucky, I have Alfa Aid in Maidenhead who are brilliant - all complete Alfa nuts who know the cars inside out. Adrian the owner, didn't mention anything else to me that I should look out for.
Chris
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I've had my 147 for just under 4months now, its a 2001 147 1.6ts Lusso with 74,000miles on it (it had 68,000 when i bought it). All i can say is your Dad will love it! Its just a great car to be in and drive, the 1.6 is quite underpowered for the weight of the car but the noise and handling makes up for that!
Although i do love my car i have had some bad bad times with it already (most not the cars fault) but the main ones are that my drivers side footwell leaks badly and i cannot find out where the water is getting in, the airbags don't work, the suspension squeaks and sometimes i can't engage Reverse.
What you need to look out for are
-When was the cambelt tensions and variator changed. If the car sounds like a tractor on start up it *isn't* the cambelt, its the variator. You need to remove the cambelt to change the variator so best to get done at the same time.
-Body Control Unit, this controls things like Airbags/lights etc. So make sure on test drive that all the warning lights are out and that the odometer isn't flashing.
-Suspension, the dampers are crap nuff said.
-Gearbox, even new they don't feel tight, more like stirring porridge. On test drive its easy to spot one thats on its way out.
-Oil, some use loads others use hardly any. Mine is very good this way, -hardly ever need to top up, my friends on the other hand needs topped up every week!
-Leaking passenger footwell, it is aparently due to a blockage on the Aircon pipe that leads to it.
There is more but to be honest, my car pisses me off something shocking but then i go for a drive in it and all is forgiven
The week I bought mine even though it was serviced before i bought it with a new cambelt, i sent it to a specialist to get a full blown uber service including sparkplugs, cambelt and variator. I didn't really need to do this but trust me do it, it'll give you piece of mind. Don't let a dealer do it, get a Alfa Specialist, from my early experience they are BETTER!
This is my baby!
Since getting it i've:
-Installed a kenwood headunit and amp with Kicker XPL sub and Alpine TypeR front speakers
-Lowered 30mm on eibach springs
-clear indicators
-Alfa 147 matts
-CSC mild steel exhaust (not yet fitted)
-K&N replacement Panel Filter(don't get a K&N induction, the TS don't like it)
-www.scoobyireland.com sticker
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Although i do love my car i have had some bad bad times with it already (most not the cars fault) but the main ones are that my drivers side footwell leaks badly and i cannot find out where the water is getting in, the airbags don't work, the suspension squeaks and sometimes i can't engage Reverse.
What you need to look out for are
-When was the cambelt tensions and variator changed. If the car sounds like a tractor on start up it *isn't* the cambelt, its the variator. You need to remove the cambelt to change the variator so best to get done at the same time.
-Body Control Unit, this controls things like Airbags/lights etc. So make sure on test drive that all the warning lights are out and that the odometer isn't flashing.
-Suspension, the dampers are crap nuff said.
-Gearbox, even new they don't feel tight, more like stirring porridge. On test drive its easy to spot one thats on its way out.
-Oil, some use loads others use hardly any. Mine is very good this way, -hardly ever need to top up, my friends on the other hand needs topped up every week!
-Leaking passenger footwell, it is aparently due to a blockage on the Aircon pipe that leads to it.
There is more but to be honest, my car pisses me off something shocking but then i go for a drive in it and all is forgiven
The week I bought mine even though it was serviced before i bought it with a new cambelt, i sent it to a specialist to get a full blown uber service including sparkplugs, cambelt and variator. I didn't really need to do this but trust me do it, it'll give you piece of mind. Don't let a dealer do it, get a Alfa Specialist, from my early experience they are BETTER!
This is my baby!
Since getting it i've:
-Installed a kenwood headunit and amp with Kicker XPL sub and Alpine TypeR front speakers
-Lowered 30mm on eibach springs
-clear indicators
-Alfa 147 matts
-CSC mild steel exhaust (not yet fitted)
-K&N replacement Panel Filter(don't get a K&N induction, the TS don't like it)
-www.scoobyireland.com sticker
PERFECT
I have to ask, how have you tested the airbags I don't think he'll be worried about the lacking of power, but will be more like yourself when he drives it and loves it.
Beautiful car by the way! I almost want one for myself, but then that would be taking the limelight away.
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lol i have no idea other than crashing how to test the airbags! but apparently mine are disabled and thus needs a trip to the stealers!
Heres some pics of mine taken today after a good clean! Next car i buy will be another Alfa it has to be said, no other car (bar an impreza/legacy) gives me that wow factor as much as the alfa styling!
but apparently mine are disabled and thus needs a trip to the stealers! Heres some pics of mine taken today after a good clean! Next car i buy will be another Alfa it has to be said, no other car (bar an impreza/legacy) gives me that wow factor as much as the alfa styling!
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My neighbour came home with a brera prodrive last weekend.
Its really nice and sounds so sweet... His is a titanium sort of colour would take a pic but he'd see me doing it.
Its really nice and sounds so sweet... His is a titanium sort of colour would take a pic but he'd see me doing it.
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