Deep Singh

Don't suppose anyone has driven one as yet?


Also I see it has a tiptronic rather than DSG, anyone comment on the Audi tip system compared to say BMWs SMG?

Will change the M5 next year and as the GTR can't accomodate my family the RS6 is next in line. It'll have to be one hell of a car to prise me out of the M5

NotoriousREV

I'm not sure it would be even possible to build a twin turbo V10 powered car that wasn't in some way "one hell of a car"

Ian

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ill have one

Petem95

2008 Audi RS 6 Avant | RSportsCars.com

Clearly it's going to be impressive with 580bhp ( ) and 4wd! 0-124mph comes up in 14.9 seconds!

Being out-accelerated on a bypass by an old-shape RS6 whilst in a friends WRX is still the most convincing acceleration I've ever seen on the road, so this new one will be crazy!

rickya

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Blew away an 06 RS6 on the A1 last month, that was from approx 40mph onwards Lovely cars though

Edcase

My RS6 was mostly a disappointment, not convinced this will be any different.

GCollier

It seems to be getting decent reviews - from what I've read it should be a big improvement on the old car.

I don't think I could stomach the depreciation on - even a used - one though. The last RS6 was bad enough, this one will probably be even worse.

Gary.

Blueblaster

Can there be a more pointless car than this one? Who the hell needs a 2 tonne, 580bhp estate car? This is power for power's sake and the sooner Audi start making a car with less power and less weight than the previous model the better it will be for everybody.

slim_boy_fat

Apparently Deep Singh

mrtheedge2u2

Have to agree there... people seem to be obsessed with big number nowadays......

Edcase

I don't even like the looks of the new one.

My old one in Misano Red turned heads like no other car I've owned, in fact a grey one passed me yesterday going the opposite way and it even turned my head.

The new one is, well - meh.

Deep Singh

I'm not after power for powers sake if thats what some people are implying?
If it was I'd just buy an AMG. Thats why I wanted to know if anyone may have had a preview drive to see if it can outdo what I feel is the bench mark of excellence for super saloons, and thats the E60 M5, luckily I already have one of those

Janspeed

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Check out the M5 Touring vs RS6 at EVO and all your doubts will vanish.

Cyril Robertson

Greetings Mr Singh,

Did you try an Alpina B5 before you procured the M5? I find that In contrast to the M5 it has a smooth autobox, more torque than the M5 which is accessible by the slightest prod of the loud pedal and gets mid 20's mpg. The M5's woefully small fuel tank only adds to the frustration. Unless your at warp speed it just feels too lethargic - definitely needs more torque.

Benchmark of excellence for super saloons? I very much doubt that.


Cyril.

Edcase

Where?

Andy M3

RS6 Avant vs. M5 Touring - FanHost Forums

Audi RS6 Avant
V10 bi-turbo
4,991 ccm
580 PS at 6,250-6,700 rpm
650 NM at 1,500-6,250 rpm
AWD
6-speed automatic

2,025 kg
286 bhp/ton

0-100 km/h in 4.6 secs.
Vmax limited to 250 km/h (280 km/h optional)

MSRP: 106,900 EUR

vs.

BMW M5 Touring
V10
4,999 ccm
507 PS at 7,750 rpm
520 NM at 6,100 rpm
RWD
7-speed sequential

1,880 kg
270 bhp/ton

0-100 km/h in 4.8 secs.
Vmax limited to 250 km/h (305 km/h optional)

MSRP: 95,000 EUR

My verdict:
The BMW M5 Touring loses against the Audi RS6 Avant because of its dated and inconvenient gear box, with the manula transmission of the US version or a DSG it would much closer to the RS6 which handles much better. It is more comfortable to drive also due to the better transmisson and all the power and torque of the V10 bi-turbo engine being available at low rpm. The M5 feels more dynamic, makes more fun as the engine always has to be revved up to the max.
The RS6 is the better dialy driver despite the disgusting AT.

Andy M3

Rennteam.com: Auto Bild Test:M5 Touring, Audi RS6 Avant, E63 AMG

Laptime:

E63: 1:36,57
M5T: 1:34,81
RS6: 1:34,00

60-100 km/h
E63: 2,1 s
M5T: 2,1 s
RS6: 2,1 s


80-120 km/h
RS6: 2,7 s
M5: 2,5 s
E63: 2,7 s

0-200 km/h
RS6: 14,3 s
M5:14,7 s
E64: 15,1 s

0-100 km/h
RS6: 4,4 s
M5: 4,9 s
E63: 4,4 s

Co2 emmisions
M5: 361 g/ km
RS6: 333 g/ km
346 g/km

Weight distrubition front / rear
RS6: 59/41
M5: 49/51
E63: 49/51

The scorepoints the BMW M5 Touring lost the most to the Audi RS6 Avant in categories Fuelconsumption / Envorviroment with 17 p (of 20) vs 14 for the M5.

Vs the Merces E63 AMG the M5 lost scores mostly on Luggage space / versatility where the AMG scored 20 (out of 20) and the M5 scored 14. The E63 probably got really gih there also thansk to it's 55 liter larger trunks space (2030 liters for the E63). The M5 also lost many points on visibility (18 vs 15 out of a 20 max) and also Warranty (13 vs 9 out of 20).


For everyday the Mercedes E63 AMG won the test. The fastest aroudn the track was the Audi RS6. The BMW M5 Touring was a fascinating ride, a drivers machine. But in everyday driving the SMG auto gearboxfeature was cumbersome in auto mode.

Andy M3

Audi RS6 Avant | evo Car Reviews | Car Reviews | evo

scoobberdoo

For me the RS6 is not really a looker, but it's not offensive. The M5 is just plain ugly though IMHO

skinters

580bhp sounds crazy until you realise it weighs over 2 tonnes(!). Power to weight isnt THAT great afterall. 287bhp /tonne. With a bit of fettling on many a turbo car, that's achievable. But above 80mph or so I suspect it's lunacy. A remap would certainly scare. Gluttonous fat car though but would obviously accept one as a gift...

Andy M3

The R35 skyline is around 1900kg's with fluids. It has 473hp making it 'only' 249hp/tonne.

It can still do a sub 7'30.00 around the ring though

Deep Singh

If you think I'm going to be tempted by your trolling you are mistaken. Good try.

Deep Singh

Its annoying when people go on about the cumbersome auto mode. It is cumbersome, but then its not meant to be driven in auto, if thats what someone wants they should buy an AMG.
The SMG is far from perfect (especially when parking etc) but for the enthusiastic driver will knock the spots off any convential auto/tiptronic (newer DSGs excepted of course)

Don't also forget that the M5 is now 4+ years old and we are comparing this to a RS6 that hasn't even been released yet. I think the new M5 will set the bench mark again.

stilover

Too many options on the M5 though?

Why do you want 10 different gearbox settings, 10 different suspension settings? Traction control settings etc?

For me the V8 powered M5 is far more desirable. Get in, and everything is set-up perfectly. Drive off and have fun.

That's why I like fast Audi's. Old mans RS4 was just the same. Get in, and everything is set-up. It had a Sport button, but that's it.
His R8 is just the same.

Janspeed

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Audi RS6 Avant | evo Car Reviews | Car Reviews | evo

There another article basically comparing them.

Janspeed

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oooops repost

Cyril Robertson

Afternoon Mr Singh.

It was a genuine question that I asked - I am genuinely interested as to why you chose the M5. You seem to have mistaken my intentions, for that I apologise.

I have to agree with Mr Lover. The E39 M5 was a a fantastic tool.


Cyril.

Andy M3

Keep up

Janspeed

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Not a repost:

Audi RS4 v BMW M5 | Car Group Tests | Car Reviews | evo

BMW M5 Touring | Car Group Tests | Car Reviews | evo

Janspeed

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lol I know!