robby

I've been seeing a few of these on the roads this week and tbh after watching the fall guy many years ago always wanted a pick up truck

i'm currently running a new shape clio which is cheap to run and as i only really go to work and back in it it suits me fine - but -

the warrior spec L200 looks great with the rear bars, etc and i'm getting peed off with pillocks tailgating me even though i'm not dawdling along just because i'm driving a small car.

The L200 would stop the tailgating as i'd make sure i had a towbar on and other cars would give a wide berth in carparks if i had sidesteps fitted (worked with a previous freelander i had)

Has anyone driven 1 of these daily? what are the running costs (mpg, insurance ave, etc), are there any known problems?

does anyone know what the difference between the warrior spec and animal spec (apart from leather in warrior)?

thanks

G00ner

Not keen at all on the new L200, I think the old shape is better to look at.

I've gone from a Spec B Legacy to an Isuzu pick up and am really enjoying it.
Pick ups are just so much more practicle, for me anyway.

There should be loads of info on Google, but I can tell you that a bloke I work with is on his 3rd L200, all of them get worked hard and it's only his oldest one that has given him any hassle (blown head gasket @ 130k miles).

robby

Thanks - just registered on the l200 site so waiting to be approved?

It would be a 2004 model in my price range which is the better looking model anyway with a few accs it would look great

probably a daft question but - as most sales say £xxx + vat and i'm buying it as a private vehicle is there any way of avoiding the vat?

zip106

So will I.
It's well worth the £16 to join 'cos there are a few engine issues with some of the old shape trucks from (IIRC) 04 - 05 plate.
I've got the new shape so I can't tell you much about the old ones.

Abdabz

I looked at these long and hard last summer and ruled that the Navarro is far better.
The new shape L200 is not as rugged looking as the original. The servicing interval were (from memory) to close and the economy and performance were woeful compared to its nissan rival.

I also noticed in my scientific survey that the drivers of these vehicles are even stumpier, fatter, older and balder than impreza drivers and wearing a dayglo jacket when driving an L200 is mandatory!

Devildog

Unfortuntely the Navara has just recorded a diablolical euro ncap score for driver safety - one star struck through. L200 fared significantly better.

Odds on

The Animal spec mainly differs from the Warrior by the fact it has the power upgrade. There's a fair few cosmetic bits as well.

As for daily cost's, I don't find it to bad. The fuel computer reckons I get about 29mpg - I never drive it slowly. (How accurate that is I'm not sure). 1st service was a couple of hundred quid, with them being every 12,500miles. Tyres are about £120 each, but they last well.

As already said, it's worth joining the owners club. Even if it just to wind up Steve Dublin!


I better put on some weight, shave my head, add a few years on my age and buy a day glow jacket then!

zip106

..Navara...
In my scientific survey I found that drivers of Navaras tended to marry/have children with their own siblings. Ye HAAaaaaa..

robby

cheers guys - got the week after next off work so hopefully should find a few to look over/ test drive

narrowed it down to warrior spec in either black (bugger to clean but looks good) or grey

robby

forgot to ask - does anyone have the dimensions for the L200 (with and without roll bars) - the freelander just fitted under the garage door with the aerial laid flat

Sonic'

Doesnt mean that all you would need would be the dayglo jacket

I must admit I do like the L200's especially the slightly older ones, not as keen on the new new shape ones

If its anything like the shogun it will be heavy on juice, and the newer ones will be in the higher tax bracket too I imagine

Hows the Jag doing, did you get your plate transferred over too ?

Sonic'

How about a Dodge Ram, now thats a pick up truck

Sonic'

Odds on

Road tax is about £115 a year. New shape clobbered for the £25 congestion charge? - Nope.

It's as green as a truck can be, just don't get near the zorst every 3000miles when it cleans itself out.

fatscoobfella1

iTrader: (1)

Just a cautionary word...

The L200 is corking engines as fast as people can fit them..

The 2.5 is stretched too far and has made it very unreliable..

Personally i know of at least 20 engines gone in the last 12 months,so im sure theres a lot more throughout the UK..
Recon units are about 2k without fitting..

And the Navarra is no better...there throwing rods and cranks too..

fatscoobfella1

iTrader: (1)

Hi Mr Meister..

The problem with that paticular 2.5 engine is that its basic design is embedded in the early 80's.So with emissions laws and extracting more power the strength of the engine has now become structurally unsound..

BTW...im an Ex Mitzy ralliart trained chief technician,so im not just saying unfounded comments out of the top of my hat

robby

if the 2.5 engines are serviced properly and not thrashed or used for towing a lot of weight would they be ok?
don't want something unreliable or in the garage unless it's for a service

fatscoobfella1

iTrader: (1)

Unfortunately,i have changed 2 engines this year,both with under 30k on them..Both just months out of there warranty period..

Never thrashed,never towed anything..

One had just blown a rod...Never worked out why..had loads of oil and water in(pre blow up!!!)
The other had dropped all its water out of the EGR cooler(we suspect),this in turn had overheated the engine.Then the head and block had warped and blown the head gasket...Engine scrapped..!!

robby

so the l200 isn't too reliable?
is it a head problem or a full engine build needed when it goes t1ts up? any idea on cost?
i guess an aftermarket warranty would cover the problem?

mattvortex

If you want a pickup, buy a proper one and get a SINGLE cab- not one of the gay/blinged up double cabs , that you never see anyone sat in back of and cant carry bugger all in the pickup part. Also, single cabs are much less common and look 10 times better/meaner than the double cabs!

zip106

It seems this problem is only affecting 03-04 models (at the moment) mostly.

I've seen new shape ones with 60k miles used for towing with no problems whatsoever and the new shape has only been out for 2 years, so 30k a year and they seem alright.

As with anything, you only hear about the bad ones.

Gay blinged up double cabs...you must mean the Navaras

Mine is used for work every day to carry my gear and to take the kids to school (can't do that in a single cab) and it goes off road very regularly and is fantastic at it too... no bling here - move along, nothing to see

dunx

iTrader: (3)

Just been chatting to a mate who's colleague at work is dumping his for a Skyline, reckons it won't cost much more to run !

DunxC

zip106

Depends on how old your mate is.
My insurance is £450 a year, includes all modifications, commercial use and off-roading etc.
Tank off fuel - £65 (depending on price per litre) and 350 -450 miles out of that (depending on driving style)
A set of AT tyres at £400 and you'll get 50 - 60k miles out of them.
Servicing every 12.5k miles (new shape) so about £1000 over 3 years or option of a service planfor £250+VAT (when new) for 3 years servicing.

Some people have had brake pads last for 40k+ miles,too.

In the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't exactly call that expensive to run for a 2.5 ton 4wd truck. My Scoob and FRS cost more.

Odds on

I think some people on this thread think the new shape has the same engine as the last model....

They don't.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I have the animal (165bhp) double cab, I get an average of 31mpg. Get the £250 three year servcing deal and you cant go wrong, cost wise.

I was of the opinion that it was the old model had the engine problems, with the new model having a completely new design?

Andy

CrisPDuk

I thought all pick-up owners did that

zip106

I've got the Animal and so has Odds on (I think)

The new model engine is still a 4D56 engine in it's basic form but has been updated with common-rail technology, and has done away with the particular EGR that was causing the problems.
Therefore *should* be more reliable and IS cleaner and more efficient.
On the L200 Club there are 3000 plus members, mostly with the old shape trucks, and only a handful have had problems with the engines.

If I recall correctly, didn't Subaru have a few P1 engines blowing up at low miles?
It can happen to any car.

zip106

I'd have a job!

Mr Leigh

Just about to sell my company Navara. Its an 05 plate Aventura with all the goodies. I can say it has been the best company car I've owned. And I have owned a lot. I can't comment on the L200 but I have enjoyed driving the Navara as much as I have the Subaru or 350Z.

Odds on

Interesting. I too was under the impression that they'd designed a whole new engine. Mind you, its so different to the old one that only a few common parts must be used.

And yes, I've got a new shape Animal.