J4CKO

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Just looking on Autotrader, Like them but not really daft enought (after a Fiat Coupe) to buy one, price range from 2,200 to 21,995, can anybody explain this phenomena ?

16vmarc

Theyre classic rally cars! Age is a factor now though, and left hand drive.

Scooby Roo

Try the supercharged turbo version you'll see why they are a cult.

Not sure how the Fiat would out thrill the Intergrale they are a fantastic car, a headturner without being to garish.

Roo

Pumpkin

The supercharged turbocharged ones (ie Delta S4) are £ 50,000 to £ 250,000

The high priced ones are perfect, but you never know what they sell for. The cheap ones are the starting point of a financial nightmare.

skoobidude

You don't need an apostrophy for "Integrales".

Sorry, I'm in a silly mood.

Still, they're nice cars though.

J4CKO

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Nobody has answered why there is a 20 grand price difference between the cheapest and the dearest, In know there were different versions but 20 grand ?

wadsy69

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I'm not expert but....

You may get a very ropey 8 valve model for such a low price. The Integrale then went to the 16 valve model with wider arches than the 8v and bonnet bulge!. You may get a 16v for about 5k. Then the model changed to the Evolution (commonly called Evo 1) I would think a sound Evo1 could be had for about 10k. The next model (commonly called Evo2!!) had quite a few revisions over the Evo1, including cat but still with about 215bhp. There are several limited editions. Price very much depends on model/condition/history/provenance etc, you cannot simply compare a 2k car to a 20k car as they will obviously have huge differences. The 20k car I would suggest to be an Evo2, very low mileage, maybe delivery! maybe limited edition - they are collectable! I had a 16v a few years ago and it's still one of my favourites - better handling than my STi RA v4 that I currently drive. In fact I'd love another, but they aren't cheap to run (that's compared to the Scoob too)

For more info, look at John Walley's website or Walkers website

Cheers

Wad

J4CKO

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22 grand for a 13 year old Italian car that isnt a Ferrari, sorry but that is just mental money for an old car however good it may have been, I thinkthis is one of those where the legend is better than the actual proposition of owning one.

I drove an 8 valve one once and to be fair it was pretty good but the subsequent ones would have to have been ten times better to warrant 20 odd grand.

s70rjw

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http://www.walkersgarage.co.uk/integrale_info_stk.htm


Has some top cars.
There is a massive difference between cars. My mate bought one in Germany 4 years ago with group N Spec. It was fantastic to drive but all the electrics were dodgy windows / wipers / lights / stereo / locking etc. His cost the equivalent of £6k in Germany. Unfortunately he wrote it off. Even worse the car had previously been written off and been badly repaired. My mates payout was based on the latter fact and he got peanuts. Tread carefully but from the front at least a gorgeous looking car.

carl

Don't leave it outside in the rain. I knew someone who bought one of these at the same time I bought a TVR and we were going to run a book on which would be less reliable...

JBONDO1

I bought a Evo after part Ex my Scooby Turbo which was 8 years newer and the Evo was in just as good nick if not better. When people say good 15k for a 12 year old italian car that's not a Ferrari. But will pay this money for a Ford from Dagenham! The Escort Cossie was always beaten in every Magazine it was ever tested in buy the integrale. For what you get i. e driving pleasure and performance and those looks there a bargain!

jeremy

Still don't understand how Lancia managed to endow the Integrale with Porsche quality steering, and yet no 4WD to date (other than Porsches) has been able to match it.

J4CKO

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But will pay this money for a Ford from Dagenham!

I assume you mean the Escort Cosworth, if so, then no, I wouldnt pay 15 grand for one.

My point was, why such the variation in price, I can sort of see 12 grand for a really nice one but 22 grand, thats gets you into another league.

JBONDO1

22 Grand that'll be Walkers for you. A good condition Evo 2, top money really will be 15-16k and no more and for that money you should expect a mint car with very very low mileage or well modified examples. Evo1 top money for these cars is about the 12-9k mark. But due to the cars that were talking about the prices fluctuate depending on the condition and the market as unlike Scooby's these are more of a classc car so the can go up as well as down.

falkster

I have a friend thats had a few Integrale's. He and people like him wouldnt touch Walkers, they use the fact that they are just about exclusive which forces people that dont know where to find a Delta to buy from them. As for the gulf of prices (ignoring Walkers) then thats down to the fact that one may have been a daily driver and the other is from a dealer collection. I remember my friend telling me there was a '96 N for sale with 20k km on the clock and it was £25k. Bit too much for anyones liking but better than a Walkers price.

Pumpkin

Actually, there are several cars on the Italian market for 30,000 Euros, 35,000 Euros, 49,500 Euros, and 59,500 Euros. These are all standard road cars...

Rob16v

<<I knew someone who bought one of these at the same time I bought a TVR and we were going to run a book on which would be less reliable>>


I'll tell you which is the least reliable - and I'll also tell you which is the slower car round a circuit. And it's from Blackpool in both cases.


Rob

Rob16v

Don't forget that the Evo 2 comes with the weedy non-homologation turbo. Less lag for the street, but ultimately runs out of breath. Lots more bhp to be got out of earlier cars.


Rob

carl

Depends on the circuit. I reckon the Blackpool Rocket would be faster round the Rockingham oval.

Rob16v

<<I reckon the Blackpool Rocket would be faster round the Rockingham oval>>

...until it spun or ran out of fuel :0)

Chris96wrx

Best car I've owned by a mile.

Never failed, err apart from the gearbox and alternator (cough).

Miss it badly. Sadly written off last week by its current owner.

Between £4.5 and £10k there are some good cars out there, I would tend to avoid the lower (need work) and higher priced (e.g. ltd edition Evo2s).

8v great car, load of torque
16v bit more at higher revs, rear torque bias, my favourite due to Qcar image.
Evo1 - same engine as 16v, better suspension, possibly the car to own
Evo2 - smaller turbo - better build quality

Rob16v

Sound advice. Remember also that the Evos got bigger, 4 pot brakes, and the wider track makes them steer & handle better than the earlier cars (although all are streets ahead of Jap cars in terms of steering/feedback). The 16vs smaller frontal area and lighter weight - 100kg - often means its the fastest in a straight line.


Rob

JBONDO1

I'll second that, I'm running a great deal more power out of my Evo than standard and a good 8v/16v gives you a run for your money on the straights. Tony

Comper100

What about this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lancia-Integra...QQcmdZViewItem

JBONDO1

Not heard good things about this car one of them being that the shell is very weak! Been in a few accidents apparently..

Rob16v

Noooooo! I've actually driven it. It's done some rallying in Ireland, where it had a massive shunt into a tree - there is still a crease in the footwell. It also has a straight cut box, so double declutching, and it's geared to a top speed of about 90. And it's kin hell noisy. No use for the road or the track.

When I saw it (months ago), he wanted £10k for it, and I told him it was worth about 6. It's been hanging round for ages. Avoid.


Rob

WRC-T2

Well I have a Spec C and a Delta Evo 1 and the pin sharp steering on the Lancia never ceases to amaze me. Sure it creaks a little from the trim but it is Italian after all. The Delta is an icon of its era. It is in the same league as BMW M3 E30/Merc Cossie/Porsche 968CS in that it represents an era that was'nt governed by endless legislation.


It was a Spec C of its day. Oh BTW I will sell it for the right money

Cheers

Allan

dazc

I consider myself lucky to have drive a few times one of the last ones. 17k's worth apparently.

I can honestly say that I have never driven a car that talks to you like that ever. First time driving a LHD car and within minuites I was sliding it through damp bends like I was Juha. Which I most definately am not.
Unbeliavable confidence wet or dry. So direct steering, beautiful.

Few rattles and creaks which would probably get on my nerves after a bit, and a well dated dash, but was I impressed? You bet. An icon? Most definately.

Daz

Scoob+Bike=Fun

if anyone is after one, i'm planning to get rid of mine soon, well it's the other halfs plan , and i'm trying to hold on to it for a bit longer

spec as follows:

1990 H Integrale 16v
115k kms
Giallo
Recaro suede interior
16" Compomotive MO + 15" OE
samcos + other new underbonet hoses
Recent engine rebuild (3k ago)
just had turbo, radiator, handbrake cable + a few other bits

what supprised me was that the parts arent that expensive for such a rare car, and the majority of it is available next-day

to those of you that havent driven one, i urge you to try and do so, the feedback is superb, they corner like you wouldnt believe, given that it only has 200 horses, they pull suprisingly well, performance is on par wiith a focus RS,


I've been told that i have to get somthing more sensible, so ive promised i'll try. would do a p/x for somthing along the lines of a e38 7 series or e39 5 series, Golf VR6 type

(Still keepin the scooby tho )

Adam

Pumpkin

Parts are getting increasingly hard to find. FIAT are discontinuing large quantities of parts. I speak from experience.