wow fast diesel...
14 May 2005, 09:43 AM
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yeah, that clip was from some dudes beemer who's doing the Gumball rally this year. Yes, its quick but I bet you it eats Diesel to - kinda defeats the object really doesn't it?!
14 May 2005, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by paulpalmer
New diesels are very quick but they still bore the **** off of me to drive. i prefer actually having to hussle a car along to get it going quickly rather than just just putting your toe down.
But I'd try driving the one in the video before passing a generalised judgement.
14 May 2005, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by paulpalmer
New diesels are very quick but they still bore the **** off of me to drive.
Looks dammed impressive to me...
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14 May 2005, 12:13 PM
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Wow, I think the phrase
'Quick, for a Diesel'
can now be retired.
That must be 250 bhp or more, even managed to sound good.
Makes you wonder what Diesel powered beasts are coming over the next few years, I know Mercedes are doing a triple turbo Diesel motor.
'Quick, for a Diesel'
can now be retired.
That must be 250 bhp or more, even managed to sound good.
Makes you wonder what Diesel powered beasts are coming over the next few years, I know Mercedes are doing a triple turbo Diesel motor.
14 May 2005, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aggs
Evo tested a similar car in this months edition.
It surprised them as well.
It surprised them as well.
The E90 (new model) will have have the Twin-Turbo 3.0Litre from the 5 series... tuned these things make well over 300hp.
16 May 2005, 08:00 AM
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Paging MattOz, paging MattOz... U there matt?
Matt appears to be BMW's official salesman on Scoobynet, and he must be raking in the commission .
Paul, you could argue that a scoob bores the pants off you, as you point it into a corner and keep it planted, and it'll come out the other side. I prefer driving a car that you have to drive through a corner, and listen to the communication from the car...
Matt appears to be BMW's official salesman on Scoobynet, and he must be raking in the commission
.Paul, you could argue that a scoob bores the pants off you, as you point it into a corner and keep it planted, and it'll come out the other side. I prefer driving a car that you have to drive through a corner, and listen to the communication from the car...
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16 May 2005, 10:47 AM
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Christ Nick. 08:00 on a Monday morning! Did you wet the bed or something! LOL
That 330d is a little quicker than mine! I think that it's DMS'd and has an aftermarket back box, but not sure what else. Fuel consumption hasn't changed and they still get 40+ mpg and kick *** in the Gumball because they can go so much further between stops.
Not sure about the offical BMW salesman bit, but I know and appreciate a proper car when I see one, and the 330d is just that.
Matt
That 330d is a little quicker than mine! I think that it's DMS'd and has an aftermarket back box, but not sure what else. Fuel consumption hasn't changed and they still get 40+ mpg and kick *** in the Gumball because they can go so much further between stops.
Not sure about the offical BMW salesman bit, but I know and appreciate a proper car when I see one, and the 330d is just that.
Matt
16 May 2005, 05:02 PM
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Not bad, but being a diesel, all the fun`s well over with at 5000 revs.
I get to drive one quickly at work, and it does have lots of low-down grunt, but I`d rather have petrol (apart from paying for it of course).
I get to drive one quickly at work, and it does have lots of low-down grunt, but I`d rather have petrol (apart from paying for it of course).
16 May 2005, 05:10 PM
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I don't get this "narrow power band" thing that people accuse diesels of...
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
Cue ensueing arguments about tractors, power vs torque, the spindly legged bloke on a bike who can push pedals on his really low geared bike really really quickly and the muscle bound chap who can't push pedals fast but can turn massive gears from standstill, etc...
There's no "right" answer, otherwise we'd all use it. But to say diesels have a narrow power band is slightly blinkered, as I reckon there's a wider usable rev range in the 330D than there was in the WRX.
(light blue touch paper, stand well back)
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
Cue ensueing arguments about tractors, power vs torque, the spindly legged bloke on a bike who can push pedals on his really low geared bike really really quickly and the muscle bound chap who can't push pedals fast but can turn massive gears from standstill, etc...
There's no "right" answer, otherwise we'd all use it. But to say diesels have a narrow power band is slightly blinkered, as I reckon there's a wider usable rev range in the 330D than there was in the WRX.
(light blue touch paper, stand well back)
16 May 2005, 05:22 PM
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Apparently that will have 7652 lbft when chipped..
16 May 2005, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chiark
I don't get this "narrow power band" thing that people accuse diesels of...
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
Cue ensueing arguments about tractors, power vs torque, the spindly legged bloke on a bike who can push pedals on his really low geared bike really really quickly and the muscle bound chap who can't push pedals fast but can turn massive gears from standstill, etc...
There's no "right" answer, otherwise we'd all use it. But to say diesels have a narrow power band is slightly blinkered, as I reckon there's a wider usable rev range in the 330D than there was in the WRX.
(light blue touch paper, stand well back)
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
Cue ensueing arguments about tractors, power vs torque, the spindly legged bloke on a bike who can push pedals on his really low geared bike really really quickly and the muscle bound chap who can't push pedals fast but can turn massive gears from standstill, etc...
There's no "right" answer, otherwise we'd all use it. But to say diesels have a narrow power band is slightly blinkered, as I reckon there's a wider usable rev range in the 330D than there was in the WRX.
(light blue touch paper, stand well back)
I can`t compare with Scoobs of the past, but in my MY05 WRX (the first Scoob I`ve had), the pull starts around 2700, and doesn`t stop until around 6700, at which point its tailing off, and time for a gearchange.
About 4000 revs to play with, which is more than the 330 I drive at work.
16 May 2005, 05:25 PM
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Don't worry chiark you can't win: if you own a 330d you run out of puff too early and don't have a long enough power band (despite being 3000rpm). If you own an S2000/CTR you have to wait to long to get going (apparently) and don't have a long enough power band (despite being 3000rpm). But, you'll be pleased to know that if you have an Impreza with a 3000rpm power band you've made a wise and informed choice and will have a place in automotive heaven 
16 May 2005, 05:27 PM
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I don't get this "narrow power band" thing that people accuse diesels of...
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
My Impreza needed 3,500 revs to get going, and wasn't worth taking over 6,500. It couldn't breathe well enough. That's 3k of usable revs.
The 330D gives full torque at 1,700RPM, and the soft limiter is at 4,900. It pulls all the way to that quite happily.
So that's a 3,200 band of usable revs.
Plus the Turbos on diesels are generally less laggy than turbo petrol cars due to diesels having no air inlet restriction (the throttle
) and smaller turbos. So are more responsive interms of putting your foot down and waiting for something to happen. But obviously not as good as a well tuned high output n/a non-vetec petrol engine (which is a very rare species in the modern age of emission regs stifled production cars 
)Each engine type needs a different driving style, if the driver doesn't adapt (i.e a Vetec driver continually red-lining a diesel or a diesel driver short shifting a Vetec) then to drive they are both crap.
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