What is a good car to master RWD handling that won't bite you TOO hard?
01 August 2003, 12:31 PM
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As title. Thinking normally aspirated, with adequate torque, excellent steering feel, probably relatively under-tyred.
[Edited by john banks - 8/1/2003 12:35:06 PM]
[Edited by john banks - 8/1/2003 12:35:06 PM]
01 August 2003, 12:48 PM
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You probably want something that lets go really easily, try something old like vauxhall chevette or Mk 2 escort or maybe a manta.
An alternative would be to go for a caterham, or a westy, which can be easily "provoked"
Rgds
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An alternative would be to go for a caterham, or a westy, which can be easily "provoked"
Rgds
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01 August 2003, 12:51 PM
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S14 200sx. I know its turbo but its so turbime smooth you hardly feel it come on boost at all. Really good handling as well and VERY easy to provoke in the wet. Dont bite you back to bad if you get it wrong either.
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01 August 2003, 12:52 PM
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I feel a trip to a Knockhill instructor with a cheap old RWD motor brewing 
I'll speak to them about what instructor cars they have. Had a session oversteering a Sierra with slicks on the back around a wet skidpan there Felt far more natural than understeer which is so inelegant.
Would love an M5, but having had FWD cars and then the Scoob which is basically the same as far as I can tell, think I would need to learn RWD in something tamer first.
Presumably 400 BHP RWD is a bit more tricky to recover from if you get it wrong.
I'll speak to them about what instructor cars they have. Had a session oversteering a Sierra with slicks on the back around a wet skidpan there Felt far more natural than understeer which is so inelegant.Would love an M5, but having had FWD cars and then the Scoob which is basically the same as far as I can tell, think I would need to learn RWD in something tamer first.
Presumably 400 BHP RWD is a bit more tricky to recover from if you get it wrong.
01 August 2003, 12:55 PM
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John,
You should give my good friend Ryans 400bhp RWD Sapphire cossie a whirl......... that really bites you back! In the wet it tries to change direction at 70mph now and again! Keeps you on your toes!
You should give my good friend Ryans 400bhp RWD Sapphire cossie a whirl......... that really bites you back! In the wet it tries to change direction at 70mph now and again! Keeps you on your toes!
01 August 2003, 02:33 PM
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BMW 635CSi 
Wouldn't like to get the back end out in one of those. You'd need big ***** and lots of road.
Still say that the MX5 will give you a great introduction to RWD. Either that or a 1979 911 turbo
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[Edited by Mark Champion - 8/1/2003 2:34:09 PM]
Wouldn't like to get the back end out in one of those. You'd need big ***** and lots of road.Still say that the MX5 will give you a great introduction to RWD. Either that or a 1979 911 turbo
Mark
[Edited by Mark Champion - 8/1/2003 2:34:09 PM]
01 August 2003, 02:37 PM
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go-kart?
The problem with the big beemer's is they are big and heavy, so if you get it wrong it'll go wrong in a big way, unless you've got a airfield to play with.
Porkers are a nice balance although the early ones are very tail happy; maybe too tail happy if you're not used to it.
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The problem with the big beemer's is they are big and heavy, so if you get it wrong it'll go wrong in a big way, unless you've got a airfield to play with.
Porkers are a nice balance although the early ones are very tail happy; maybe too tail happy if you're not used to it.
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01 August 2003, 02:41 PM
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Phil Price rally school in Wales. Cost about 250-300 quid for the whole day. Absolute quality day out. Never learnt so much in such a short period of time. That was in old Escorts. You learn how to get the back out virtually straight away. Well worth the money.
01 August 2003, 03:11 PM
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If you want a RWD that the back can come out at low speeds then and old car is probably best. e.g. TR6, MG's. You can go sideways at 15mph which isn't so easy to do on a modern car.
If I were you, I'd go for a MX5 if it's gotta be a new car.
If I were you, I'd go for a MX5 if it's gotta be a new car.
01 August 2003, 03:28 PM
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The Elise has a reputation for biting your **** off sideways into hedges doesn't it? Not driven one - are they more friendly on the limit than a lot would suggest?
01 August 2003, 03:41 PM
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Dracoro - correct. in my midget i (especially in the wet) 10mph round a tight bend - just touch the throttle (not to accelerate but just to maintain revs) it will slide. lethal in the wet but soooooo easy to catch.
drove a mates mx5 on a trackday, it would even spin mid bend from touching the brakes and it would really snap! with the midget you can jerk the steering wheel, lift off, brake, whatever and it won't bite. mate who drove the mx5 loved drifiting it about etc, so easy he said.
you gotta go old skool for learning to drive an easy RWD (with an LSD of course!). modern stuff just snaps and grips too much.
drove a mates mx5 on a trackday, it would even spin mid bend from touching the brakes and it would really snap! with the midget you can jerk the steering wheel, lift off, brake, whatever and it won't bite. mate who drove the mx5 loved drifiting it about etc, so easy he said.
you gotta go old skool for learning to drive an easy RWD (with an LSD of course!). modern stuff just snaps and grips too much.
01 August 2003, 05:00 PM
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VX220 - Drove one 2 days ago, absolutely in love with it. Had is sideways on all the roudabouts and felt totally in control at all times. Won't give up the P1 just yet though, I'll just get the bump steer mod next
