Porsche 944 Turbo S
08 June 2003, 12:02 AM
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Nice to see pictures from my website appearing here - thanks davyboy !
944 & Supercharged Daimlers, but no scoobys !
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[Edited by eastendr - 8/6/2003 12:03:28 AM]
944 & Supercharged Daimlers, but no scoobys !
www.cannell.co.uk
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08 July 2003, 07:26 AM
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Jeez, Jags must be cheaper than I thought. An XKR is one of the slowest depreciating cars on the planet and it's worth £28k - presuambly costs about £29k new. Here was me thinking it was nearer £57k... 
There's one on Autotrader for £21k - so there's another £7k lost (still an S-reg) or put another way there's 70% of the value of a top-money 944 Turbo lost. What's it going to be worth in another 5 years? 4-figures would be my guess.
Fen
[Edited by RB5#295 - 8/7/2003 7:30:03 AM]
There's one on Autotrader for £21k - so there's another £7k lost (still an S-reg) or put another way there's 70% of the value of a top-money 944 Turbo lost. What's it going to be worth in another 5 years? 4-figures would be my guess.
Fen
[Edited by RB5#295 - 8/7/2003 7:30:03 AM]
29 July 2003, 11:30 AM
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I am thinking seriously about buying a 944 Turbo. Had been planning on getting a 1989 250BHP model and have come across a 1988 Turbo S model, which I am not familiar with. From searching on the web it seems like a good option. Does anyone know of any reasons why I should not consider one of these?
The particular one I am considering is not the Silver Rose edition, but does have LSD, adjustable suspension etc. It has fairly low miles and full Porsche history.
Any comments appreciated.
Steve
The particular one I am considering is not the Silver Rose edition, but does have LSD, adjustable suspension etc. It has fairly low miles and full Porsche history.
Any comments appreciated.
Steve
Did you see Davyboys post a few days ago about his porsche? He seems really into them so he should be able help.
29 July 2003, 12:08 PM
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Porsche released the 944 Turbo (1985/6) with 220 BHP....They then released the Turbo S in 1988 with 250 BHP ....which became the standard Turbo when they dropped the 220 BHP model in 1989.
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29 July 2003, 12:10 PM
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yes I've done a few searches on 944s and Davyboy does seem rather a fan of them! The one I have in mind looks like a beauty. I just havent seen an "S" before.
Will be gutted to get rid of the RB5 but have always wanted a Porsche and a 911 is too unpractical for me.
Steve
Will be gutted to get rid of the RB5 but have always wanted a Porsche and a 911 is too unpractical for me.
Steve
29 July 2003, 12:19 PM
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Name check! Good man! A fine choice indeed.
The silver rose was a special edition with 250bhp, LSD Koni Adjustable suspension, and usually with out a sun roof. In 1989 Porsche produced a standard 250bhp model, no doubt pissing of the people who bought the limited edition silver rose. Have you seen the interior of these? Ghastly pick check!
A 1990 turbo is what I have, now running 290bhp!
Check for when the head gasket was changed, has the clutch been changed and have all the belts been changed??
I have done about 12000 miles since oct 2002.
Cost so far:
12000 mile service inc cam belt £650
cam belt check £30
6 miles service £150
Full set of disks and pads £300
Another set of front pads
£60
Brake fluid and gear box oil change £60
I have done 6 track days and a trip to the ring all trouble free so far.
Ask many more questions you want to.....
Have you got a link to the car you are looking at, I can see if any of the owners have any knowledge of it.
Dave
The silver rose was a special edition with 250bhp, LSD Koni Adjustable suspension, and usually with out a sun roof. In 1989 Porsche produced a standard 250bhp model, no doubt pissing of the people who bought the limited edition silver rose. Have you seen the interior of these? Ghastly pick check!
A 1990 turbo is what I have, now running 290bhp!
Check for when the head gasket was changed, has the clutch been changed and have all the belts been changed??
I have done about 12000 miles since oct 2002.
Cost so far:
12000 mile service inc cam belt £650
cam belt check £30
6 miles service £150
Full set of disks and pads £300
Another set of front pads
£60Brake fluid and gear box oil change £60
I have done 6 track days and a trip to the ring all trouble free so far.
Ask many more questions you want to.....
Have you got a link to the car you are looking at, I can see if any of the owners have any knowledge of it.
Dave
29 July 2003, 12:25 PM
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29 July 2003, 12:37 PM
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ah the main man! 
thanks davyboy.
the particular car is here -http://www.cridfords.co.uk/cridfords.htm
I havent seen it yet, but will probably have a look at it this afternoon if I can sneak away from the office a bit early.
The previous owner apparently had it for about 5 years, which is a good sign and it does have a big service history. I will check out the particular items you mentioned.
Thanks for the links Jeff. I will have a good look at them now.
Steve
thanks davyboy.the particular car is here -http://www.cridfords.co.uk/cridfords.htm
I havent seen it yet, but will probably have a look at it this afternoon if I can sneak away from the office a bit early.
The previous owner apparently had it for about 5 years, which is a good sign and it does have a big service history. I will check out the particular items you mentioned.
Thanks for the links Jeff. I will have a good look at them now.
Steve
29 July 2003, 12:44 PM
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29 July 2003, 01:10 PM
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Jeff - I did think about getting a 968 sport, but part of the reason for changing cars is to free up a bit of cash for a new business next year (and after selling the RB5 and buying a 944 it will only be a "bit" of cash )
Also I prefer the styling of the 944 and think they may possibly depreciate slightly less than the 968. But then I bought my first Impreza cos of the solid residuals and look what happened there
Steve
)Also I prefer the styling of the 944 and think they may possibly depreciate slightly less than the 968. But then I bought my first Impreza cos of the solid residuals and look what happened there
Steve
29 July 2003, 01:26 PM
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Cor you learn something everyday. I thought that all Turbo S models came in that horrid pink colour (silver rose).
Anyway this is how the Turbo S differs from the nromal 220bhp turbo
The Turbo S engine is based on the normal Turbo engine. It’s equipped with a modified turbo with redesigned vanes. The DME computer has different fuel/ignition/boost mapping to give higher boost over the entire RPM range compared to the normal Turbo. The exhaust valves were also increased in diameter by 1/100th mm near the valve guide for better running at full load.
Water hose, pipe, mounts and turbo waterpump were all changed due to the reinforcements of the front end. The clutch had changes in springs and the friction liner is cemented and riveted to handle the extra power. Front and rear shocks are stiffer, the brakes are from the 928 S4. Larger anti-roll bars and torsion bars. The transmission has a limited slip and an oil cooler. 1st and 2nd gears were hardness blasted for increased strength. "S" coil springs are also harder and tapered to allow for wheel clearance. It also had harder rubber suspension bushings all around. Dual airbags and ABS were standard.
Taken from http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq.html
Anyway this is how the Turbo S differs from the nromal 220bhp turbo
The Turbo S engine is based on the normal Turbo engine. It’s equipped with a modified turbo with redesigned vanes. The DME computer has different fuel/ignition/boost mapping to give higher boost over the entire RPM range compared to the normal Turbo. The exhaust valves were also increased in diameter by 1/100th mm near the valve guide for better running at full load.
Water hose, pipe, mounts and turbo waterpump were all changed due to the reinforcements of the front end. The clutch had changes in springs and the friction liner is cemented and riveted to handle the extra power. Front and rear shocks are stiffer, the brakes are from the 928 S4. Larger anti-roll bars and torsion bars. The transmission has a limited slip and an oil cooler. 1st and 2nd gears were hardness blasted for increased strength. "S" coil springs are also harder and tapered to allow for wheel clearance. It also had harder rubber suspension bushings all around. Dual airbags and ABS were standard.
Taken from http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq.html
29 July 2003, 01:38 PM
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29 July 2003, 02:13 PM
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thanks davyboy. Thats helpful. Beautiful looking car you have there!
Am having a bit of a nightmare with insurance quotes at the moment cos of the "S" bit but its not coming out too much more than the RB5 so looking good (just the wrong side of £1000 at the moment due to a dodgy postcode, but helped by the fact that I will hit 35 this week!).
I have arranged to have a look at it this afternoon so fingers crossed that there is nothing wrong with it.
Steve
Am having a bit of a nightmare with insurance quotes at the moment cos of the "S" bit but its not coming out too much more than the RB5 so looking good (just the wrong side of £1000 at the moment due to a dodgy postcode, but helped by the fact that I will hit 35 this week!).
I have arranged to have a look at it this afternoon so fingers crossed that there is nothing wrong with it.
Steve
29 July 2003, 02:17 PM
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That car you are looking at is just a 944 Turbo forget the 'S', your car is the same as mine.
As far as I am aware the 'S' is given to cars that are the later 250bhp Turbo model and those Silver Roses that are not Silver (there are some)
With Liverpool Victoria I pay just £600 a year, and neither my partner or I have a perfect driving record.
Be sure to let us know how it goes.
[Edited by davyboy - 7/29/2003 2:29:35 PM]
As far as I am aware the 'S' is given to cars that are the later 250bhp Turbo model and those Silver Roses that are not Silver (there are some)
With Liverpool Victoria I pay just £600 a year, and neither my partner or I have a perfect driving record.
Be sure to let us know how it goes.
[Edited by davyboy - 7/29/2003 2:29:35 PM]
29 July 2003, 02:31 PM
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Dual airbags and ABS were standard.
The major differences between the 220BHP & 250BHP are
Turbo K26/6 compared with a K26/8....the 6 & 8 are the inlet size and the relevant change in the ECU.
Different wheel offset/A-arms/suspension/brakes/anti-roll bars...the 220 has the same offset as a pre-964 911 and the 250 has the same offset as 964/993/996 /968/986 etc ie the later Porsches.
LSD & MO30 suspension is available on all the 951s as is the gearbox cooler.
The Steering Wheel in the picture is a 968 item I think
[Edited by Jeff Wiltshire - 7/29/2003 2:32:22 PM]
29 July 2003, 02:42 PM
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The car was in the Silver rose display at Walton Hall.
So it IS a Silver Rose or 'S' just not silver with the naff pink interior.
I hope its a good one! I would expect it to cost more than that!
Sorry for the big pic...........
So it IS a Silver Rose or 'S' just not silver with the naff pink interior.
I hope its a good one! I would expect it to cost more than that!
Sorry for the big pic...........
29 July 2003, 02:46 PM
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My understanding was that the Silver Roses (the tacky pink ones) where extra special and had Big Brakes LSD and cup suspension as standard....They did build a number of cars to Silver Rose spec in the same model year ....
29 July 2003, 02:49 PM
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From the Porsche Club of America.....
After a successful introduction in 1986, Porsche developed a one design race series in Europe based on the 944 Turbo called the Turbo Cup. The Porsches that competed in this series featured a number of improvements such as bigger brakes, more horsepower, and an improved suspension, all of which would later find there way into a special run of 1988 Turbos called the 944 Turbo S.
The Turbo S car is truly the crown jewel of the transformation of the 924 to the classic design of the most emulated sports car of the 80's, the 944. Developed on the race track, the performance of this special model was not to be shadowed until Porsche's introduction of the 911 twin turbo in 1996.
The initial run of 339 cars were painted a special "silver rose" color with an ordinary plaid burgundy interior. They had no sunroof, air conditioning or power windows in order to save weight. Dealers sold those so fast the factory increased production to a total of 1000 cars, 716 of which ended up in the United States.
However, the silver rose color was dropped and all standard Porsche colors and options were now available. Most of the later "S's" were loaded with air, leather seats, sunroof, premium sound and power windows. In 1989, all 944 Turbos came with this "S" package so that's why you don't see a 1989 944 Turbo "S". The only thing they dropped was the "S" designation!
The differences between a 944 Turbo and the "S" included: 247 hp engine vs. 217 hp and 250 ft/lbs. vs. 243 ft/lbs. by using a larger turbo housing on the exhaust side and a re-mapped DME/KLR engine computer, and larger sodium cooled exhaust valves.
Koni adjustable shocks front and rear with ride height adjustment threaded collars on the front struts and progressive springs, larger rear torsion bars, harder bushings throughout, and larger sway bars front and rear. The wheels were 16" forged, and flat dished similar to the 928 at the time with 8 inchers and 225/50 Z-rated tires in the front and 9 inch wide and 245/45 in the rear.
The transmission had 1st and 2nd gears hardened and an external cooler to deal with the extra power and a limited slip differential was standard. Front brakes were right from the 928 S4 with larger calipers and rotors and ABS was also standard.
All these changes resulted in a Porsche with performance that rivaled even the famous 911 Turbo. The standard yardsticks of 0-60 mph and top end were 5.5 and 162 based on the manufacturer's data. Car and Driver's road test in June of 1988 provided this additional data in miles per hour: 0-30 = 2.0; 0-40 = 3.0; 0-50 = 4.1; 0-60 = 5.5; 0-80 = 8.8; 0-100 = 13.6; 0-120 = 22.1 with a quarter mile time of 13.9 at 101 mph. Owners report the factory top speed has been consistently achieved and those with after market chips and mild performance enhancements report top speeds of 172 mph!!
Although these figures are impressive, day to day driving of the Turbo S reveals its greatest strength lies in it's acceleration when passing. If you look closely at the times above you see the 60 mph to 80 mph time is 3.3 seconds!! and the 80 to 100 time is only 4.8 seconds. It is likely only a few cars ever made could better these impressive figures. When you add to the mix the .90+G's found on the skid pad in 1988 (and add for today's improved tires), the 944's perfect 50/50 weight distribution, as well as incredible braking performance, you find a truly exception Porsche deserving of "super car" status.
1989 was the last year for the 944 Turbo in the US, however the rest of the world continued to enjoy it through 1991. One of the most coveted later models was the the 944 Turbo Cabriolet, a car in which demand far outpaced supply. Production of all 944s ended in 1991 when the successor, the 968, appeared.
After a successful introduction in 1986, Porsche developed a one design race series in Europe based on the 944 Turbo called the Turbo Cup. The Porsches that competed in this series featured a number of improvements such as bigger brakes, more horsepower, and an improved suspension, all of which would later find there way into a special run of 1988 Turbos called the 944 Turbo S.
The Turbo S car is truly the crown jewel of the transformation of the 924 to the classic design of the most emulated sports car of the 80's, the 944. Developed on the race track, the performance of this special model was not to be shadowed until Porsche's introduction of the 911 twin turbo in 1996.
The initial run of 339 cars were painted a special "silver rose" color with an ordinary plaid burgundy interior. They had no sunroof, air conditioning or power windows in order to save weight. Dealers sold those so fast the factory increased production to a total of 1000 cars, 716 of which ended up in the United States.
However, the silver rose color was dropped and all standard Porsche colors and options were now available. Most of the later "S's" were loaded with air, leather seats, sunroof, premium sound and power windows. In 1989, all 944 Turbos came with this "S" package so that's why you don't see a 1989 944 Turbo "S". The only thing they dropped was the "S" designation!
The differences between a 944 Turbo and the "S" included: 247 hp engine vs. 217 hp and 250 ft/lbs. vs. 243 ft/lbs. by using a larger turbo housing on the exhaust side and a re-mapped DME/KLR engine computer, and larger sodium cooled exhaust valves.
Koni adjustable shocks front and rear with ride height adjustment threaded collars on the front struts and progressive springs, larger rear torsion bars, harder bushings throughout, and larger sway bars front and rear. The wheels were 16" forged, and flat dished similar to the 928 at the time with 8 inchers and 225/50 Z-rated tires in the front and 9 inch wide and 245/45 in the rear.
The transmission had 1st and 2nd gears hardened and an external cooler to deal with the extra power and a limited slip differential was standard. Front brakes were right from the 928 S4 with larger calipers and rotors and ABS was also standard.
All these changes resulted in a Porsche with performance that rivaled even the famous 911 Turbo. The standard yardsticks of 0-60 mph and top end were 5.5 and 162 based on the manufacturer's data. Car and Driver's road test in June of 1988 provided this additional data in miles per hour: 0-30 = 2.0; 0-40 = 3.0; 0-50 = 4.1; 0-60 = 5.5; 0-80 = 8.8; 0-100 = 13.6; 0-120 = 22.1 with a quarter mile time of 13.9 at 101 mph. Owners report the factory top speed has been consistently achieved and those with after market chips and mild performance enhancements report top speeds of 172 mph!!
Although these figures are impressive, day to day driving of the Turbo S reveals its greatest strength lies in it's acceleration when passing. If you look closely at the times above you see the 60 mph to 80 mph time is 3.3 seconds!! and the 80 to 100 time is only 4.8 seconds. It is likely only a few cars ever made could better these impressive figures. When you add to the mix the .90+G's found on the skid pad in 1988 (and add for today's improved tires), the 944's perfect 50/50 weight distribution, as well as incredible braking performance, you find a truly exception Porsche deserving of "super car" status.
1989 was the last year for the 944 Turbo in the US, however the rest of the world continued to enjoy it through 1991. One of the most coveted later models was the the 944 Turbo Cabriolet, a car in which demand far outpaced supply. Production of all 944s ended in 1991 when the successor, the 968, appeared.
29 July 2003, 02:55 PM
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wow nice pic!
Jeff, that's great. Thank you. My concern was that the car was some limited edition special that I may struggle to get parts for. Obviously not the case.
If the car is as good as I am led to believe then I can feel a purchase coming on. It has all the bits I want and looks like a very good price (which immediately makes me suspicious). Anyway, I am off in about half an hour so I will report back tomorrow.
Thanks again. Much appreciated.
Steve
Jeff, that's great. Thank you. My concern was that the car was some limited edition special that I may struggle to get parts for. Obviously not the case.
If the car is as good as I am led to believe then I can feel a purchase coming on. It has all the bits I want and looks like a very good price (which immediately makes me suspicious). Anyway, I am off in about half an hour so I will report back tomorrow.
Thanks again. Much appreciated.
Steve