scott8629

I want the 1.9 because of the above reasons.
Then im planning to get the MI16 engine with all ancills,(keep 1.9 gearbox) and strip it (I have never done this before) and have a go at reconditioning it, why not I say!
Then install it.

I think for 3K I will have a quick car that has a cult status, and If I keep it in good nick I think it will be an investment.

Scott


[Edited by scott8629 - 7/2/2003 10:26:58 PM]

scott8629

Im thinking about selling my Cup and buying one of these bad boys as I love the car (I have owned 5 205's inc 1.6&1.9GTI).

Looking at the pirce of them nowadays, you can pick up a very nice example for about 2K.

I will probally get the 1.9 GTI with looking towards fitting the MI16 engine in.

Does anyone know of ant information about this transplant? I will probally get somebody else to do it, any Idea of Cost?

Also what performance do these 205 MI16 cars make?

Any good web sites?

Scott

Kev-G

Scott,

For £2K you'll get an immac. 205 - You really should be able to get a minter for £1K or less - it might just take a little searching, but in reality they are now old cars (the youngest GTI being 10+ yrs. old).

Dependent upon what you want to do with it, a 1.6 would be a better bet - Closer ratio'd box (well shorter 1st. gear + lower final drive) - 135 flat out.

Mi transplant is pretty straight forward - Most parts are std. Peugeot.

Drop me an e-mail for more info. if you are interested - Kevin_1_Gordon@yahoo.co.uk

Cheers,

Kev-G

MooseRacer

I agree with Kev, the 1.6 box makes for a quicker accelerating car - plus the donor is cheaper to buy in the first place.

Kev_turbo

It might be cheaper but the 1.9 is a better doner car as it has )over the 1.6)

disks all round
stronger torsion bar -better rear suspension
2 point front wish bones (bottom arms)
different/better/stronger front hubs able to take bigger disks and calpiers and thicker 1.9 drive shafts.

A second hand 1.6 box will only be about £100 but they are a pain in the **** on any sort of distance (5000rpm @ 80mph IIRC)

Indy Hundle

There is a 205 mi16 on findit going for 1350.

mnangrybeats

Could a 205 TT with 170hp at the wheels live with an Audi RS4 ??

PG

FYI

Kev-G

Kev_turbo,

Re: 1.9 v's 1.6:

Disks all round - Yes, but easily + cheaply rectified. In reality most of you braking will be on the front, but the discs all round does give a better pedal.
Stronger torsion bar - better rear suspension - They are the same.
2 point front wishbones (bottom arms) - They are the same.
different/better/stronger front hubs able to take bigger disks and calpiers and thicker 1.9 drive shafts - Hubs are diff./shafts are thicker/discs are same size (dia.)/calipers are diff. - Again cheaply rectified.

Personally I would let these minor differences be the choice between buying a car or not if the bodywork is good (really this is the most important thing as everything else can be replaced).

A 2nd hand box should be less than £100 - Only prob. is that you are unlikely to get to drive it first - The syncros 2nd/3rd tend to wear. 80 will be approx. 4200 RPM - Gearing is something like 19.? MPH per 1000 RPM.

Cheers,

Kev-G.

Boss Hogg

I don't agree about the 1.6 box - the ratios are so short it's unbelievable - at Donington you have to changie up to 5th on the straight before redgate - 1.9 box is fine, and a must if you are driving on an A road or motorway.

cookiemonster

I think for the track the 1.6 box, with 15" wheels and a healthy (high revving engine) is the best bet. The 205 has the aerodynamics of a cereal box, so you hit top speed at maybe 120 and even big power gains arent going to really push you faster and then you dont need the extra gearing of the 1.9 box at the top end. I've a 165bhp 205 with a 1.6 box, at castle combe i get into 5th on the three straights but never get past maybe 6500 rpm(though im limited to 7500 and ive good power and torque to 7200)

For a road car, i'd rather have a 1.9 box.

Finally, swapping a 1.9 to a 1.6 gearbox takes the same amount of time and effort as swapping rear drums for disks, 1.6 - 1.9 driveshafts and the wheels. Although, its got to be cheaper to buy and swap the gear box than sourcing and swapping the other bits.

Kev-G

Boss Hogg,

I did say that it depends upon what you want the car for - Most likely that an 205Mi is for trackdays/trashing - Cruising ability would NOT be a top priority IMO.

With regards to on track ability, you surely want the car to be flat out @ the fastest part of the circuit?

cookiemonster,

I'd disagree about the length of time to swap gearbox v's shafts/hubs + rear brakes - Remember that you have to remove the shafts etc. to do the box + wiring/starter etc. The box can be a pain in the a$$ to get in/out due to the proximity of the sub-frame.

For track use an Mi/1.6 box + 15" wheels is def. VERY effective.

I'd buy on condition rather than spec.

Kev-G

Boss Hogg

KEv-G - i agree in principle, but once you've gone through the Esses (on the nat circuit at Donnington) you've got to make 2 changes into 5th before braking and changing down into redgate, which is about 400yds further on. And mine's delimited......

I just find it a pain in the **** having to constantly change up on the even the shortest straight bit to avoid blowing the engine up then to - changes cost you time. But I've never used a 1.9 box - they might be sh*te....

But having said that you can go round most corners in third or fourth, so maybe it's not so bad... .D

Eric 24vTT

I'm picking up my 1.9 with a 1.6 box on Monday, I drove it tonight.
Awesome throttle responce, violent infact
And it redlines fairly quickly, went alright too considering it was three up

I will miss my 300 TT though
Still if the Pug breaks it'll cost me less for a new Pug than most of the jobs on a Zed

Mike123

As for performance, "Performance Car" Mag did a proper road test of a Gutmann 205 Mi-16(160bhp)vs a TT 205 (175bhp)in their mag about Feb 89 I think. Samne issue as the 325i Sport test.
As I recall, the Mi-16 was about 6.7 secs to 60, about 18 secs to 100, about 133/134 max. All the in-gear figs were on a par or quicker than the 325i Sport I recall.
I can look up the article if you are really interested.
I know the Mi-16 205 was quicker than a Mk2 GTE 16v and they're no slouch

Eric 24vTT

"As I recall, the Mi-16 was about 6.7 secs to 60, about 18 secs to 100, about 133/134 max"

And that's for a Mi-16!?!

God I'm going to miss the power of mine

Dream Weaver

Scott

Will be going down this route within the next 12 months hopefully.

I will be trying the conversion myself I think.

Also considering adding NOS as well for a bit of extra fun

scott8629

Im also looking forward to getting my hands dirty!
The biggest problem will be finding a good exmple to start with!
Im aiming to spend about 2K GBP on a nice 205, I like lazer green or miami blue in 2nd, however any colour if its in good condition will do.

When I sold my old 89F 205 1.9 GTI in about 1997, I thought this car is starting to look dated but now I think they just look retro cool.

Cant wait, anyone in the know up in Yorkshire?

Scott

Mike123

Eric24v
I'm sure the figures were pretty close to what I quoted - definitely a smidgen quicker than the GTE 16v - makes sense with extra 4bhp in a slightly lighter car. I'll look the test up over the weekend

scott8629

I had an Astra GTE 16v after the 205 1.9 and the Astra was faster but handled like sh*t.
So the MI16 is quicker than the GTE 16V, well thats one fast cheap car.
I need one.

Have you guys seen www.mi16conversions.co.uk.
They quote under 6 sec's 0-60 and wait for it.... over 150MPH!!
Well I dont belive this, can anyone back it up?

Scott

LG John

There was a 205 GTI with an MI16 (i think) engine in it running at Knockhill at the weekend. No idea how much power it had but it was stripped out and fvck me did it go!! On the straights it was very potent!!

Kev-G

Saxo Boy,

There were 'hundreds' of 205's @ Knockhill on Sunday - What colour?

Hopefully it was mine - Black/Red Wheels/Red Signwriting

scott8629,

It depends upon the gearbox - I had a 309 Mi about 9 yrs ago - I don't know what the 0-60 was, but it did 150 (on the clock) no prob.

Another option on the gearbox is the Mi 'box - It has short 1>4 (like 1.6), + longer 5th for cruising (almost the same as a 1.9). Both of these should do approx. 140 @ 7K RPM - Prob. relates to 150 on the clocks. I would also look to get this with the engine anyway.

Cheers,

Kev-G

Dream Weaver

Scott, where in Yorks are you?

I'm East Lancs, not far from Skipton

LG John

Kev I've no idea about details of the car as there were so many that I got confused! It was dark (i.e black or green) and had the standard GTI alloys. It was handling well and was noticeably quicker than the others in the straight! I'd say it was scooby quick above 40mph

scott8629

Im from near goole, but work in Hull, so Humberside really.

Scott

Eatpies

im from near goole

Dream Weaver

Oliver Twist used to eat it didnt he?

Mike123

Just looked at the 205 Mi-16 test again - they're pretty much Clio Cup performance if you just have a std 160bhp engine in a 205 1.9.
There was one for sale in Motoring News this week for about £1300.

Engine is even better for tuning than the Vaux 2.0 XE lump according to a few articles I have read.

Shame they never did the 309 Gti-16 over here in the UK - i liked the 205s and 309 I had but not enough go as std for me - 160 bhp seems more like it though!

Kramer

I've owned a 205 Gti Mi16 for about the last 9 months now and can honestly say its the most fun I've had in a car!
This is after owning such cars as an Integrale, scoob and an Evo 5..This little thing goes like stink and handles like a Kart.
Searched for ages for my one,eventually found a completely standard looking one (no bodykits or silly alloys lowered suspension etc) in miami blue with a full leather interior..
Very Happy!

Scotsman

iTrader: (3)

I've had my 205 Mi16 for a few months now (conversion done by Kev-G - can't recommend him highly enough btw).

Very quick car and great fun for the price.

Rattles even more than the Scoob did and 'almost' a bit loud for me (I'm strange in that I like my cars quiet!). I'm running the 1.6 box since I'd been planning to take track days up on a regular basis - but can't see that happening now for personal reasons

Small aside - was that I'm surprised by home much space these little hatchback cars really have inside. Had the back seat down and you can get a fair amount in!