thenewgalaxy

Seen on bbc news...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-25508672

Pretty disrespectful, forgivable moment of madness or something that requires a hefty punishment?

the shreksta

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he may be "branded" a hero

john banks

I wouldn't do it, but then my surgery is conspicuous and I don't have an argon photocoagulator and am not that egotistical. Maybe the surgeon is proud of his work and wanted to sign it? Not that I approve, but it does sound like a storm in the right hypochondrium.

RA Dunk

Can't see what the fuss is about TBH.

thenewgalaxy

Likewise the work I do and have done is usually conspicuous... then again I've seen someone arrange plates on an ORIF to make initials. Another person I once worked with once took a plate out and put it back just because it didn't look symmetrical!

It's wrong but is it that wrong? I think it is the ethical side of things here rather than any harm being done.

For the record I'd go mad if someone wrote their name on my liver, it's hugely disrespectful.

Midlife......

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14...erus/?hpt=Sbin

There are a number of instances of surgeons leaving their mark over the years......I guess he got caught out.

Shaun

Turbohot

Laughing aside, I have the same view. Some doctors might even love to tattoo their own name on their patient's forehead, but acts like that are unethical IMO. But if a patient voluntarily engraves his/her doctor or surgeon's name on his/her interior or exterior, nothing can be done about it apart from checking his/her mental health. If they have their doctor's consent to do so, doctor's head should also be checked thoroughly.

hodgy0_2

As ever the crime is getting caught

I bet a lot of surgeons are wiping their sweaty brow just now

Fabioso

Totally unethical and egotistical!

Anyone doing that should be jailed and banned from their profession.

LUCKO

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if i needed a new liver and it saved my life and the most important bit of this is that the nhs fitted it for free i would take it even if it had the name of the football team i hate written on it !!

why dont the press go after people who ruin lives (such as the muslim clerics in the uk ) rather than people who save lives its a joke really

Bean1984

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Oh f**k me this is all bull crap..... I transfer the organs as well as the surgical teams for a living.... Ive even seen the liver for myself as well as other organs. As you are all aware the liver is a very delicate organ if the deliberately done this it can potientally infect the organ so why would they risk it as that would then be classed as patient neglect which then opens up a big law case to be sued..... Anyways how are they even going to prove it as all personal belongings are strictly forbidden in the theatre so its all going on say so at the min

Dingdongler

Why should it cause an infection?

What personal belongings are you talking about?

Shaid

Because the vast majority simply do not ruin lives. I've yet to meet anyone who blames a cleric for their failures in life.

If your going to mention Anjem he isn't no credible cleric other than in the eyes of the mail and it's ******* audience of subscribers then you are highlighting your stupidity.

Merry Christmas!

The Dogs B******s

This

RA Dunk

Yea, it's not as though anyone's going to notice is it, hell you coulden't even use it as a party piece when your pi$$ed either, infact if you told someone somebody had surgically initialed their initials on your liver they would call you a liar and tell you to **** off.

All totally pointless and irrelevant.

But I bet they get a ******* massively huge claim out of it though.

JayM

I have no idea about anything medical, but surely this had some risk involved? No matter how small, the surgeon took an unnecessary risk on the patients life or well-being?

thenewgalaxy

Yep. Any action that isn't strictly necessary is theoretically an assault.

But in reality gently tickling the surface would do very little to it.

I think the comment above about potentially causing infection is well wide of the mark. The surface of a liver is pretty tough also... I'm not going to divulge how I know that but they are

He'd likely be cauterising parts of the surface anyway as part of the procedure, the tool being used here is a laser which ablates the area it is working on - hardly an instrument that could introduce pathogens to the area.

cster

Sounds like this guy is very popular with his colleagues.
This is what comes of calling Surgeons Mr. They lose all sense of what it means to be professional

ALi-B

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I see it like the service history on the inside of a watch - where anyone who had a tinker inside leaves their mark.

This is the same IMO

At least the coroner will know who's been fecking about inside when he does the autopsy

dpb

What the heck was the routine operation that led to the discovery? ,

Can't see how it can be egotistical, it's not like he did teh deed and then took photos and stuck them up on the wall

markjmd

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Puts me in mind of a certain scene from one of the Dirty Harry movies:
Mortician (peering into the skull cavity of a body that's just been autopsied): Hey Harry, you're never going to believe this!
Harry: What's that, have you got something?
Mortician (by now struggling to contain his laughter): It says "'Eat at Luigi's"!

tony de wonderful

If it's true I wonder why it did it? I don't see how it's connected to 'pride' in one's work. Branding people is a sign of ownership even if in this case the sign is hidden, but he would have known they were branded, a secret knowledge that only he had; their transgression was his to know alone. Maybe this gave him pleasure?