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29 June 2013, 12:33 PM
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And regarding the hit man comparison: this is not about ethics or moral standards, but reality.
29 June 2013, 01:14 PM
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Wrong. It's still the best athlete who wins. It's just a matter of levelling out the playing field. Think of a car race where everyone is restricted to 2.0 l engines, but in fact everyone has a tuned 2.5 l engine. Everybody cheats, but in the end it's still the best driver who wins the race. Of course, from time to time some poor fella will get caught, maybe because he lacks the political influence or protection from sponsors who pay millions to the FIA, or because he pissed on the leg of one of the top drivers, or maybe because he was walking through the pits bragging how tuned his engine was. But all the other guys are pretty safe.
29 June 2013, 01:20 PM
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I think he's right - everyone was doing it and he couldn't have won without it.
Things may be different now & Sir Bradley may well be cleaner than clean.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing & just doing what everyone else did always looks bad after the event, even though it seemed OK at the time - ask a 2007 Mortgage Broker, a LIBOR Banker or Stuart Hall.......
Things may be different now & Sir Bradley may well be cleaner than clean.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing & just doing what everyone else did always looks bad after the event, even though it seemed OK at the time - ask a 2007 Mortgage Broker, a LIBOR Banker or Stuart Hall.......
29 June 2013, 01:27 PM
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Wrong. It's still the best athlete who wins. It's just a matter of levelling out the playing field. Think of a car race where everyone is restricted to 2.0 l engines, but in fact everyone has a tuned 2.5 l engine. Everybody cheats, but in the end it's still the best driver who wins the race. Of course, from time to time some poor fella will get caught, maybe because he lacks the political influence or protection from sponsors who pay millions to the FIA, or because he pissed on the leg of one of the top drivers, or maybe because he was walking through the pits bragging how tuned his engine was. But all the other guys are pretty safe.
What a load of cobblers.
29 June 2013, 01:33 PM
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Wrong. It's still the best athlete who wins. It's just a matter of levelling out the playing field. Think of a car race where everyone is restricted to 2.0 l engines, but in fact everyone has a tuned 2.5 l engine. Everybody cheats, but in the end it's still the best driver who wins the race. Of course, from time to time some poor fella will get caught, maybe because he lacks the political influence or protection from sponsors who pay millions to the FIA, or because he pissed on the leg of one of the top drivers, or maybe because he was walking through the pits bragging how tuned his engine was. But all the other guys are pretty safe.
29 June 2013, 01:36 PM
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But maybe you want to ask yourself why Bernhard Kohl was only convicted once although he was tested 200+ times and he himself admitted that he was on drugs while giving those samples. Or why Lance Armstrong has never tested positive (except 1999, but that's another story).Trust me, I know how this system works. Sad but true
29 June 2013, 02:14 PM
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29 June 2013, 03:12 PM
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You're entitled your own opinion But maybe you want to ask yourself why Bernhard Kohl was only convicted once although he was tested 200+ times and he himself admitted that he was on drugs while giving those samples. Or why Lance Armstrong has never tested positive (except 1999, but that's another story).
Trust me, I know how this system works. Sad but true
But maybe you want to ask yourself why Bernhard Kohl was only convicted once although he was tested 200+ times and he himself admitted that he was on drugs while giving those samples. Or why Lance Armstrong has never tested positive (except 1999, but that's another story).Trust me, I know how this system works. Sad but true
But if you have personal insider knowledge or experience then that would shed a different light on your statement
29 June 2013, 05:41 PM
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It was pandemic in cycling a few years ago, even 10 years ago.
The whole sport is a lot cleaner now but by no means has doping been eradicated. Whole teams were promoting it but I think that changed somewhat.
To say that you have to dope to win is bollocks.
Cycling is probably the cleanest it's ever been, so it's much more of a level playing field than before. You just need to look at the times they're doing the big climbs in, i.e. longer than before, to prove it.
The whole sport is a lot cleaner now but by no means has doping been eradicated. Whole teams were promoting it but I think that changed somewhat.
To say that you have to dope to win is bollocks.
Cycling is probably the cleanest it's ever been, so it's much more of a level playing field than before. You just need to look at the times they're doing the big climbs in, i.e. longer than before, to prove it.
29 June 2013, 05:53 PM
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30 June 2013, 10:33 PM
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30 June 2013, 10:40 PM
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Of all the 13,005 dumb comments that you've written over the years, that rates pretty highly among the dumbest of the dumb! I'm interested to know what you actually base that statement on?
In regards to drug taking in any sport, as already stated above, if you have to take drugs, you ain't good enough. How Lance Armstrong can say what he said is ridiculous. Someone HAS to win, simple as that. If you dont take drugs and don't win, its a simple case of being beaten by a better person. There's plenty of completely clean world champions, who, funnily enough, have beaten off all the competition.....by being quicker / fitter / better than them through putting in the hours and hard work, not taking drugs, plain and simple.
In regards to drug taking in any sport, as already stated above, if you have to take drugs, you ain't good enough. How Lance Armstrong can say what he said is ridiculous. Someone HAS to win, simple as that. If you dont take drugs and don't win, its a simple case of being beaten by a better person. There's plenty of completely clean world champions, who, funnily enough, have beaten off all the competition.....by being quicker / fitter / better than them through putting in the hours and hard work, not taking drugs, plain and simple.
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01 July 2013, 08:35 AM
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P.S. Glad to know you have read all 13000 plus comments I have made.... you are indeed a prize stalker amongst other things
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01 July 2013, 12:47 PM
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Er... have you been on Planet Earth for the last 20 years and watched one cyclist after another test positive for banned substances? Why follow a sport so corrupt and hero worship cheats unless you are a gullible ****? Hope that explains it in words you can understand. If not let me know and I will write it Ladybird book style so you can maybe get it
P.S. Glad to know you have read all 13000 plus comments I have made.... you are indeed a prize stalker amongst other things
P.S. Glad to know you have read all 13000 plus comments I have made.... you are indeed a prize stalker amongst other things
I've no doubt your just some overweight 40-something that has never had any interest (or been good at) any sport whatsoever (I'm guessing you were probably bullied at school for being a fatty aswell?), unless it involves letting a machine or animal do all the work? Perhaps if you had competed in some sort of physical sport you would understand, but then again, that would have made you a "gullible ****" because you would have been interested in it!!
P.S, your comment count is just underneath you name, and secondly, everything that I've seen you type is complete and utter sh1te, so its not too hard to guess that all 13,000 odd posts are along the same lines!
02 July 2013, 06:48 AM
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And how is that different to any other sport? The are drug takers / dopers etc in every sport, not just cycling, its just a case of whether those sportsmen / women get away with it and whether it ends up in the news or not. No doubt there are 'current' high-profile sports stars in ALL sports that are cheating through using drugs etc, so does that make every one of those different sports rubbish or just followed by gullible *****?. No.
I've no doubt your just some overweight 40-something that has never had any interest (or been good at) any sport whatsoever (I'm guessing you were probably bullied at school for being a fatty aswell?), unless it involves letting a machine or animal do all the work? Perhaps if you had competed in some sort of physical sport you would understand, but then again, that would have made you a "gullible ****" because you would have been interested in it!!
LOL at you and your guessing games... and anyway how does my prowess at sport or my weight come to that have any effect on whether cycling is a clean sport and worthy of being watched or not.... you accuse me of posting sh1te and yet I am expected to see your efforts as anything but. You. my sad little friend are a Grade A hypocrite! I also wonder why you bother reading them too.... weird really!Now if you want to watch a sport that celebrates cheats then that is up to you, but IMO says a lot about your character!
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