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Old 27 February 2013, 04:56 PM
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Default Well done British Gas!

Nice to see a British company doing so well in these so called hard times. Isn't it time we stopped whingeing when big companies report successful results and rejoice in the fact that they are paying huge amounts of corporation tax, employing 1000's of people who also pay tax and NI and are also investing billions into research and the gas infrastructure in this country. And here is a breakdown of where the money goes.

It said of the average customer bill of £1,188 a year, the wholesale energy cost made accounted for £568, £283 went to delivery to the home, environmental and social policies added £112 and tax made up £72. Operating costs totalled £104, leaving it with £49 in profit per household

So about 4.5% overall profit, that's nothing in the big scheme of things and a much smaller percentage than all of the rip off supermarkets report year after year which nobody ever seems to notice.

Well done British Gas!
Old 27 February 2013, 05:02 PM
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Worst thing is though that they are owned by a French Company!
Old 27 February 2013, 05:09 PM
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Your thinking of EDF, centrica are a UK company.
Old 27 February 2013, 06:02 PM
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Nice to see someone sticking up for BG for a change... And yes I work for BG.
Old 27 February 2013, 06:16 PM
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Yes, it's great, they post 11% profits, after putting bills up by at least 6%, and some of their customers have to decide heat, or eat?
Great..........

Should never have been privatised.
Old 27 February 2013, 06:27 PM
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Chickened out of nuclear........

Have you got gas in Wales now then?

d
Old 27 February 2013, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Yes, it's great, they post 11% profits, after putting bills up by at least 6%, and some of their customers have to decide heat, or eat?
Great..........

Should never have been privatised.
That was predictable.

Is there any evidence that prices would be lower if it was nationalised?
Or would the Government need to subsidise it to lower prices?
Old 27 February 2013, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Yes, it's great, they post 11% profits, after putting bills up by at least 6%, and some of their customers have to decide heat, or eat?
Great..........

Should never have been privatised.
4.5%

Yes they should
Old 27 February 2013, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Chickened out of nuclear........

Have you got gas in Wales now then?

d
Yep, and all of yours where you live probably comes through Wales as well, so look out.
Old 28 February 2013, 08:04 AM
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Isn't claiming profit by increasing charges cheating ?

So you have a product everyone has to have, you put costs up which obviously increases your profits .. then claim success ?
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long spells of cold weather = people have the heating on more = more gas usage + raising prices = bigger profit.
It's like Ben and Jerrys raising the price of a tub of icecream during a hot summer. Quite frankly, if BG hadn't shown an increase in profit then something would have been seriously wrong!
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Originally Posted by Chip
Nice to see a British company doing so well in these so called hard times. Isn't it time we stopped whingeing when big companies report successful results and rejoice in the fact that they are paying huge amounts of corporation tax, employing 1000's of people who also pay tax and NI and are also investing billions into research and the gas infrastructure in this country. And here is a breakdown of where the money goes.

It said of the average customer bill of £1,188 a year, the wholesale energy cost made accounted for £568, £283 went to delivery to the home, environmental and social policies added £112 and tax made up £72. Operating costs totalled £104, leaving it with £49 in profit per household

So about 4.5% overall profit, that's nothing in the big scheme of things and a much smaller percentage than all of the rip off supermarkets report year after year which nobody ever seems to notice.

Well done British Gas!
Do you work for BG in the Cardiff call centre by any chance lol
Old 28 February 2013, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave1980
Worst thing is though that they are owned by a French Company!
No they're not
Old 28 February 2013, 10:28 AM
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Regulate like the water industry, tell the gas and electric companies what they can charge and problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Chip
Your thinking

Whereas you're not
Old 28 February 2013, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Regulate like the water industry, tell the gas and electric companies what they can charge and problem solved.

Yes, if only somebody had thought of that


http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Pages/OfgemHome.aspx
Old 28 February 2013, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Yes, if only somebody had thought of that


http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Pages/OfgemHome.aspx
works in a different way dude.
Old 28 February 2013, 11:35 AM
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In what significant way?
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If you limit the profits that a company is allowed to make, how are they incentivised to become more efficient? If these profits were achieved by increased efficiency then it would be unfair to penalise them.

Like if banker's bonuses are capped then when they have done enough work to receive the maximum bonus they have no incentive to work hard.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Whereas you're not
You're right, surely even you can allow me that one

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Old 28 February 2013, 03:08 PM
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What wasn't in the news I think was that BG also got rid of 40% of the management staff. All the managers in the company had to reapply for their jobs. Ones with a successful track record of keeping team costs down and completed work load high were kept on (we're monitored on everything - number of jobs completed per day, time spent at jobs, parts costs, excessive travel etc). For a change a company as big as BG thought to get rid of the management and keep the workers.

As speedking said, it has encouraged BG to become more efficient in how we work. At the moment or biggest expenditure is parts costs, something which we are all trying to get down. The more we can save in this way means a lower chance of prices going up again anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Orangio
Do you work for BG in the Cardiff call centre by any chance lol
No I don't.
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Originally Posted by BULLITT
Nice to see someone sticking up for BG for a change... And yes I work for BG.

My missus used to work for BG, when she got the job she was over the moon until she realised that they had some sort of weird multi-cultural/PC experiment going on, a bit like Eastenders:

Token black, token lesbian, token gay, token Asian, token immigrant (who brought the rest of his extended family over) and the missus was the token 'over 45'.

The token 'over 45' thing went down really well with her, because she thought she got the job on merit so she was 'gutted'.

She lasted all of one month, within 6 months, out of the 30 or so that started the job with her only one person remained in the job.

One guy got so pissed off with the happy clappy stuff he jacked after sending a hilarious **** taking email around the whole call centre.

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Originally Posted by c_maguire
That was predictable.

Is there any evidence that prices would be lower if it was nationalised?
Or would the Government need to subsidise it to lower prices?
Well if it was run exactly the same way then as the nationalised version wouldn't need to consider the shareolders how could it not have lower prices?
Old 01 March 2013, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well if it was run exactly the same way then as the nationalised version wouldn't need to consider the shareolders how could it not have lower prices?
Times at least 6 , obviously. Big 6, 6 lots of profits, 6 lots of shareholders, 6 lots of maintenance, 6 lots of investments, 6 lots of giving the same reasons why we are paying more for our gas than in any point in history depsite the wholesale price being lower than it was 5years ago.

Thats a lot of money diverted into profits/dividends.

Privatising utilities brought a lot of money it to this country, but my god are we paying for it now.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well if it was run exactly the same way then as the nationalised version wouldn't need to consider the shareolders how could it not have lower prices?


Because of that important word "if". I assume you are too young to remember how useless the old nationalised utilities were? I can bet you money that within a few years of nationalisation it would be as bad as it was.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well if it was run exactly the same way then as the nationalised version wouldn't need to consider the shareolders how could it not have lower prices?
Except no Nationalised operations are ever run in exactly the same way as their private counterparts. The fact that private companies (shareholders or not) have to make a profit to survive, whereas their Government counterparts have a budget that they invariably spend in its entirety for fear of it being reduced next time round if they don't, means efficiency is paramount in one and secondary in the other.
My other half is a schoolteacher and the waste there, whether paying over the odds for equipment they don't need or use, doing precious little about poor attendance and fake illnesses/injuries, poor use of skills, overstaffing, automatic pay increments, pointless training courses and so on is scandalous. Strangely enough even the teachers who seem to be off more than on behave like they're hard done by. They would be sacked in the private sector.
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Because of that important word "if". I assume you are too young to remember how useless the old nationalised utilities were? I can bet you money that within a few years of nationalisation it would be as bad as it was.
But the point is it doesn't have to be.... the problem is the average human being... when playing with someone else's money they don't give a **** unless it directly affects their wallet!

This is why privatised industries generally perform more efficiently than nationalised industries... as if they get it wrong the company goes bust. Like everything in life the great ideas are brought down by the fcukwits of society of which the UK has an extremely large number.

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Originally Posted by c_maguire
My other half is a schoolteacher and the waste there, whether paying over the odds for equipment they don't need or use, doing precious little about poor attendance and fake illnesses/injuries, poor use of skills, overstaffing, automatic pay increments, pointless training courses and so on is scandalous. Strangely enough even the teachers who seem to be off more than on behave like they're hard done by. They would be sacked in the private sector.
She must have the patience of a saint putting up with your crap!
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Privatising utilities brought a lot of money it to this country, but my god are we paying for it now.
Yep and I said at the time we would be... not that anyone listened then either!


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