Black Hawk Down
Black Hawk Down
16 January 2013, 08:35 AM
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Cause of the crash "He said the crane at the top of the building was now hanging down the side of the building."
Sounds like it landed on a couple of cars as well.
Sounds like it landed on a couple of cars as well.
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16 January 2013, 09:55 AM
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Hit the crane on its way to a helipad in Chelsea apparently. Misty in London this morning but even so, you'd have thought/hoped the pilot would have known about tall buildings in the area?
16 January 2013, 10:36 AM
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There was a NOTAM issued (notice to airmen) that the crane was there.... 770ft apparently!, and Lit during dark.
whether it actually was lit is unknown, but the top of the building couldn't be seen due to mist...
whether it actually was lit is unknown, but the top of the building couldn't be seen due to mist...
16 January 2013, 02:05 PM
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BBC quote..
"Police said it was understood the helicopter was on a scheduled flight from Redhill in Surrey to Elstree in Hertfordshire.
A spokesman for London Heliport at Battersea said the pilot had requested to divert and land there due to bad weather.
An RNLI lifeboat was initially sent to search the Thames near the crash scene following a request from London Heliport after it lost contact with the aircraft, which is understood to be an Agusta Westland AW109, a lightweight, twin-engine helicopter with eight seats."
It could have been a lot worse with so many people in the area.
"Police said it was understood the helicopter was on a scheduled flight from Redhill in Surrey to Elstree in Hertfordshire.
A spokesman for London Heliport at Battersea said the pilot had requested to divert and land there due to bad weather.
An RNLI lifeboat was initially sent to search the Thames near the crash scene following a request from London Heliport after it lost contact with the aircraft, which is understood to be an Agusta Westland AW109, a lightweight, twin-engine helicopter with eight seats."
It could have been a lot worse with so many people in the area.
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16 January 2013, 02:11 PM
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Certainly a tragedy and could have been far worse too.
Apparently he had asked to land at the city airport because of the bad weather. He may well have been descending to do this and been flying a different course to his planned one to get to the airport.
He would doubtless have known all about tall buildings but maybe not about the crane, the red light on the crane would not show very well in the foggy conditions. If you don't realise the difficulties in flying under foggy conditions,believe me it is not easy,especially since one's eyes are focused at infinity or on the flying instruments since you cant see anything else. He would have to have been relying on instrument flying because of the lack of flight visibility which means you can't see anything in front of you because it will all be out of focus. Try concentrating on your cars instruments and then look outside in fog and you will see what I mean.
Not knowing what kind of air traffic control he was under etc. means that it is impossible to assign any particular blame.
It sounds like one of those tragic accidents which just happen under such difficult circumstances. To see the crane in time under his flying conditions would have been virtually impossible in the bad visibility and it would not need much of a clout on the blades by the crane to destroy them and any hope of controlling the aircraft.
I feel sorry both for the pilot and also those who were killed.
Les
Apparently he had asked to land at the city airport because of the bad weather. He may well have been descending to do this and been flying a different course to his planned one to get to the airport.
He would doubtless have known all about tall buildings but maybe not about the crane, the red light on the crane would not show very well in the foggy conditions. If you don't realise the difficulties in flying under foggy conditions,believe me it is not easy,especially since one's eyes are focused at infinity or on the flying instruments since you cant see anything else. He would have to have been relying on instrument flying because of the lack of flight visibility which means you can't see anything in front of you because it will all be out of focus. Try concentrating on your cars instruments and then look outside in fog and you will see what I mean.
Not knowing what kind of air traffic control he was under etc. means that it is impossible to assign any particular blame.
It sounds like one of those tragic accidents which just happen under such difficult circumstances. To see the crane in time under his flying conditions would have been virtually impossible in the bad visibility and it would not need much of a clout on the blades by the crane to destroy them and any hope of controlling the aircraft.
I feel sorry both for the pilot and also those who were killed.
Les
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