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Old 18 November 2012, 02:53 PM
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Well the French seem to be taking a lead and will be pushing to relax EC rules about sending weapons to the newly recognised opposition out there although they want to restrict it to "defensive" weapons only, whatever that means

So should we support this which carries a big risk of escalating the rebellion into all out war which could include anti-Assad groups fighting each other? It would also upset Russia which is probably not such a good idea.

Or do we just keep out of it and let them get on with it and just hope for the best?

Lots of people on here were moaning about the UN not doing enough even though UN's hands were tied by Russia and China. Do we have a moral duty to interfere and try and stop so much unnecessary slaughter of innocents?

So what do you think? I should state that I have no deep knowledge of the country and am only going by what I hear on the news.

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Old 18 November 2012, 03:32 PM
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Yes, we should do all in our power to topple the governments of any arab state that the people there want to topple.

THEN they can go Islamist and hate the west..........oh, wait..........
Old 18 November 2012, 03:34 PM
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Should we help? Should we ****...

Not our buisness, not our problem. We need to learn to stop sticking our noses into other countries **** and learn to sort our own **** first.
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No. Charity starts at home and there's enough crap to sift through here.
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Should we help? Should we ****...

Not our buisness, not our problem. We need to learn to stop sticking our noses into other countries **** and learn to sort our own **** first.



That just about sums it up

US should consider it too. Currently costing them $2 billion every 36 hours

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Definitely not.... look at Iraq and Afghanistan if you need to ask why not?
Old 18 November 2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
That just about sums it up

US should consider it too. Currently costing them $2 billion every 36 hours

Why is Syria costing US $2b every 36 hours??

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Comparing UK problems to Syria's is hardly fair. Our children don't get their throats cut at midnight.


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Originally Posted by The Dogs B******s
Is that who i think it is??????
Old 18 November 2012, 04:31 PM
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Hmmm, it is isnt it
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No, we shouldn't help
We should sort ourselves out first and foremost, instead of ploughing money abroad hand over fist
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Originally Posted by Yellow R
AND UR MUM LOVES IT UP THE *** U ****
That's no way to speak to a respected member of the forum (and I use the word respected loosely)
Old 18 November 2012, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Well the French seem to be taking a lead and will be pushing to relax EC rules about sending weapons to the newly recognised opposition out there although they want to restrict it to "defensive" weapons only, whatever that means

So should we support this which carries a big risk of escalating the rebellion into all out war which could include anti-Assad groups fighting each other? It would also upset Russia which is probably not such a good idea.

Or do we just keep out of it and let them get on with it and just hope for the best?

Lots of people on here were moaning about the UN not doing enough even though UN's hands were tied by Russia and China. Do we have a moral duty to interfere and try and stop so much unnecessary slaughter of innocents?

So what do you think? I should state that I have no deep knowledge of the country and am only going by what I hear on the news.

dl
Is that the same French who sell weapons to enemies of their alleged allies?


Originally Posted by David Lock
Why is Syria costing US $2b every 36 hours??

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Comparing UK problems to Syria's is hardly fair. Our children don't get their throats cut at midnight.


dl
Who is comparing Syria's plight with the UK?
Who is cutting the throats of children at midnight?
Old 18 November 2012, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Should we help? Should we ****...

Not our buisness, not our problem. We need to learn to stop sticking our noses into other countries **** and learn to sort our own **** first.
+1

**** em
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We kind of helped already, indeed if it weren't for the West it wouldn't have started
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I don't think the UK shouldnt help any country. Well not before sorting the people out here first!

Why should we give give give to others and do **** all about the people here.. Huge bug bare of mine!

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Old 18 November 2012, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser


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Who is comparing Syria's plight with the UK?
Who is cutting the throats of children at midnight?

There were several references to sorting out UK problems first so I was pointing out that our problems pale into insignificance in comparison.

There have been several report of families who have had their throats cut.


My view is that we should stay out of it.

dl

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PS. Will the posters that are trolling this thread with crude and infantile comments **** off.

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Old 18 November 2012, 06:29 PM
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It depends who we're helping. What I am now resolved on is that the Assad regime needs to go in order to completely isolate Iran. I'm interested in who replaces Assad and how we can shape that, but couldn't stomach arming or giving cover to Islamofascists. We really don't want a gang of bearded men running Syria.
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So by helping them does that mean we get to bomb the **** out of them and kill more civilians in 6 months than the naughty dictator/s did in his/ their entire time in power, at a cost of god knows how many billions at a time when the uk economy is in debt up to it's eyeballs and likely to be so until my 5yr old sons grandkids retire.

Yeah why not, i'm sure we have some spare missiles somewhere that are due to require decommissioning, should save us a few quid if we just fire them at some random muslims, there's far too many of them anyway, who's gona miss the odd hundred thousand or so.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
So by helping them does that mean we get to bomb the **** out of them and kill more civilians in 6 months than the naughty dictator/s did in his/ their entire time in power, at a cost of god knows how many billions at a time when the uk economy is in debt up to it's eyeballs and likely to be so until my 5yr old sons grandkids retire.

Yeah why not, i'm sure we have some spare missiles somewhere that are due to require decommissioning, should save us a few quid if we just fire them at some random muslims, there's far too many of them anyway, who's gona miss the odd hundred thousand or so.
Perhaps you should send that message to France's new President with carbon copy to Mr Cameron because it's very possible that that is exactly what will happen

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Originally Posted by David Lock
Perhaps you should send that message to France's new President with carbon copy to Mr Cameron because it's very possible that that is exactly what will happen

dl
Is it? Any evidence?
Old 18 November 2012, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyCunts
Let the fuckers get on with it!


P.S. You all eat shit and you stink of piss!!


Welcome back Will.
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Originally Posted by David Lock

My view is that we should stay out of it.

dl

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PS. Will the posters that are trolling this thread with crude and infantile comments **** off.
Agree with both comments above.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
So by helping them does that mean we get to bomb the **** out of them and kill more civilians in 6 months than the naughty dictator/s did in his/ their entire time in power, at a cost of god knows how many billions at a time when the uk economy is in debt up to it's eyeballs and likely to be so until my 5yr old sons grandkids retire.

Yeah why not, i'm sure we have some spare missiles somewhere that are due to require decommissioning, should save us a few quid if we just fire them at some random muslims, there's far too many of them anyway, who's gona miss the odd hundred thousand or so.
the capacity of humans to not learn from history is amazing

it reminds me of the quote by an American General in the Vietnam war

when justifying the killing of innocent civilians

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

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What if Assad had to be removed to facilitate preemptive action against Iran?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
What if Assad had to be removed to facilitate preemptive action against Iran?
Brilliant idea, send a load of marines out there and then up the propaganda towards Muslims and tell your kids bs such as it's all in the name of freedom and protecting out way of life. Oh hang on a sec....

We should not intervene in Syria at all. It is obvious the anti Assad club has a lot of Al-Qaeda types floating about and from where we are we sitting we do not know who is committing such crimes... Do you people still buy the official story? Reported to you by the same people who claimed Saddam had WMDs lols.
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Don't you think we are already doing enough by wasting all those young men's lives in Afghanistan? And what good do you think that is doing?

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