George Entwistle - shortest ever tenure as BBC director-general?
21 October 2012, 10:38 PM
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George Entwistle - shortest ever tenure as BBC director-general?
If the previews of tomorrow night's Panorama are accurate I can't see him lasting beyond the culture and media select committee grilling on Tuesday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-managers.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-managers.html
10 November 2012, 09:41 PM
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He lasted a bit longer than I thought, and it took a second complete ****-up, but he has the record. Good riddance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ht-fiasco.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ht-fiasco.html
10 November 2012, 09:57 PM
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To be frank, I don't really care;
Entwistle probably was the last person to try and cover this lot up.
There are countless folk in the business who preceeded him that did the very same, and worse, many of whom escaped such criticism, and IMO they derserve the most of it.
I mean I caught some snippet of a documentary a while back with the holier than thou ****-kisser that is Paul Gambaccini saying that he knew about it....strange that now he has everything to say, but didn't utter a word twenty years ago? What a spineless little sh*t he is.
Entwistle probably was the last person to try and cover this lot up.
There are countless folk in the business who preceeded him that did the very same, and worse, many of whom escaped such criticism, and IMO they derserve the most of it.
I mean I caught some snippet of a documentary a while back with the holier than thou ****-kisser that is Paul Gambaccini saying that he knew about it....strange that now he has everything to say, but didn't utter a word twenty years ago? What a spineless little sh*t he is.
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10 November 2012, 10:05 PM
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I'd like to say I don't care either except that our taxes fund this at least partly morally bankrupt organisation and yet today they felt no need to make anyone available to talk to any other media organisation other than their own!
Newsnight would have been shut down at the behest of the advertisers on any commercial station yet here we are still funding the poorly researched libelous nonsense it passes off for so called investigative journalism while the man at the top of the shambolic mess clings to his job like a limpet with OCD ..... until finally prised away!
Newsnight would have been shut down at the behest of the advertisers on any commercial station yet here we are still funding the poorly researched libelous nonsense it passes off for so called investigative journalism while the man at the top of the shambolic mess clings to his job like a limpet with OCD ..... until finally prised away!
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11 November 2012, 06:32 AM
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I'd like to say I don't care either except that our taxes fund this at least partly morally bankrupt organisation and yet today they felt no need to make anyone available to talk to any other media organisation other than their own!
Newsnight would have been shut down at the behest of the advertisers on any commercial station yet here we are still funding the poorly researched libelous nonsense it passes off for so called investigative journalism while the man at the top of the shambolic mess clings to his job like a limpet with OCD ..... until finally prised away!
Newsnight would have been shut down at the behest of the advertisers on any commercial station yet here we are still funding the poorly researched libelous nonsense it passes off for so called investigative journalism while the man at the top of the shambolic mess clings to his job like a limpet with OCD ..... until finally prised away!
*Just paraphrasing you on that one
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11 November 2012, 07:38 AM
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The BBC never abused anyone, it is a fantastic organisation and one of the greatest brands in the world.
This is how it should work. A crime is commited against you (ie abuse), you go to the police, they investigate, catch and punish the perpetrator. End off.
This is how it should work. A crime is commited against you (ie abuse), you go to the police, they investigate, catch and punish the perpetrator. End off.
11 November 2012, 08:30 AM
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All it is good for is to serve as an example of what to expect from a large publicly funded organisation that has no effective competition.
The birds have come home to roost, though I dare-say people are too brainwashed to see it/do anything about it.
This organisation like other large monopoly public service providers will continue to be cherished by the many.
On the plus side though, they do provide a good living to unambitious muddle-class types like my good-self.
11 November 2012, 09:27 AM
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actually I think the Beeb takes about £250 million from the tax payer which is in addition to the funds gained from the licence fee. Eitherway I don't think it being a private or publically owned company would have made any difference when it comes to cover ups and internal scandals.
For example; The Murdochs and their entourage are still at large and even when caught red handed they've mostly escaped any real punishment, bar answering few questions in a few fruitless enquiries and rebranding the NotW to the Sun on Sunday.
The same can be said for those in charge of the banks that were knowingly run into the ground requiring government bail outs (Goodwin etc.)
For example; The Murdochs and their entourage are still at large and even when caught red handed they've mostly escaped any real punishment, bar answering few questions in a few fruitless enquiries and rebranding the NotW to the Sun on Sunday.
The same can be said for those in charge of the banks that were knowingly run into the ground requiring government bail outs (Goodwin etc.)
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11 November 2012, 09:52 AM
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I disagree - I think it is a complete anachronism that has outlived any pretence of usefulness.
All it is good for is to serve as an example of what to expect from a large publicly funded organisation that has no effective competition.
The birds have come home to roost, though I dare-say people are too brainwashed to see it/do anything about it.
This organisation like other large monopoly public service providers will continue to be cherished by the many.
On the plus side though, they do provide a good living to unambitious muddle-class types like my good-self.
All it is good for is to serve as an example of what to expect from a large publicly funded organisation that has no effective competition.
The birds have come home to roost, though I dare-say people are too brainwashed to see it/do anything about it.
This organisation like other large monopoly public service providers will continue to be cherished by the many.
On the plus side though, they do provide a good living to unambitious muddle-class types like my good-self.
Ad to that.
Radio 5 (no adverts)
BBC online
Big events like the Olympics........
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11 November 2012, 11:06 AM
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What a bloody OTT fuss the beeb are making 
Midnight news on R4 last night had 22 mins on this and then a a few minutes left to mention more killings in Syria and Man U being top of the league. Anyone would think WW3 had broken out.
So Entwistle turned out to be a spineless **** and clearly the wrong man for the job - which itself questions whether Patten should get on his bike.
Just needs a strong character to come in and clear out the rubbish, especially the cub reporters on Newsnight.
Pity they can't get rid of that smug git Humpries (or however his name is spelt), can't stand his "Daily Mail" attitude
And all these bloody enquiries. They will just disappear into a black hole as there simply won't be evidence to charge many people. Screwing 14 year olds is not something you do in front of witnesses.
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Midnight news on R4 last night had 22 mins on this and then a a few minutes left to mention more killings in Syria and Man U being top of the league. Anyone would think WW3 had broken out.So Entwistle turned out to be a spineless **** and clearly the wrong man for the job - which itself questions whether Patten should get on his bike.
Just needs a strong character to come in and clear out the rubbish, especially the cub reporters on Newsnight.
Pity they can't get rid of that smug git Humpries (or however his name is spelt), can't stand his "Daily Mail" attitude
And all these bloody enquiries. They will just disappear into a black hole as there simply won't be evidence to charge many people. Screwing 14 year olds is not something you do in front of witnesses.
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11 November 2012, 12:12 PM
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I disagree - I think it is a complete anachronism that has outlived any pretence of usefulness.
All it is good for is to serve as an example of what to expect from a large publicly funded organisation that has no effective competition.
The birds have come home to roost, though I dare-say people are too brainwashed to see it/do anything about it.
This organisation like other large monopoly public service providers will continue to be cherished by the many.
On the plus side though, they do provide a good living to unambitious muddle-class types like my good-self.
All it is good for is to serve as an example of what to expect from a large publicly funded organisation that has no effective competition.
The birds have come home to roost, though I dare-say people are too brainwashed to see it/do anything about it.
This organisation like other large monopoly public service providers will continue to be cherished by the many.
On the plus side though, they do provide a good living to unambitious muddle-class types like my good-self.
The Bureaucracy side however has been in desperate need of a good old fashioned Stalinist purge for many years now, unfortunately the ones needing purging are the ones connected politically
11 November 2012, 12:59 PM
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I feel sorry for him that he has had to resign after only 2 months in the job.
I don't think he can be expected to personally monitor every broadcast before it is transmitted and as he said beforehand, he accepted that he is effectively the grand editor in chief for the BBC but he trusted the Newsweek editorial staff to make a proper job of checking their programme in every respect before transmission and I reckon he can be forgiven in this case since he did not see the programme's content and neither was it brought to his attention. Newsweek certainly knew about his requirements before they transmitted the programme.
The fault of course for such a blindingly idiotic mistake lies firmly at the feet of the Newsweek staff. They should be metaphorically strung up for doing that and I hope that Lord McAlpine sues them personally for damages.
Les
I don't think he can be expected to personally monitor every broadcast before it is transmitted and as he said beforehand, he accepted that he is effectively the grand editor in chief for the BBC but he trusted the Newsweek editorial staff to make a proper job of checking their programme in every respect before transmission and I reckon he can be forgiven in this case since he did not see the programme's content and neither was it brought to his attention. Newsweek certainly knew about his requirements before they transmitted the programme.
The fault of course for such a blindingly idiotic mistake lies firmly at the feet of the Newsweek staff. They should be metaphorically strung up for doing that and I hope that Lord McAlpine sues them personally for damages.
Les
11 November 2012, 01:53 PM
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The whole thing shows just how little ability most BBC managers have. It's difficult to comprehend how the McAlpine expose was signed off by senior BBC news managers with no-one asking probing questions about how Messham had identified McAlpine.
It sounds like the classic problem with difficult decision making in organisations with too many layers of management - no-one low enough in the management chain to understand why it is a difficult decision is brave enough to make the call, so it gets passed up the line until it reaches someone who doesn't understand the issues so takes the decision in ignorance.
11 November 2012, 02:27 PM
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But can an institution of this size/type be justified by the fact that it gives us advert free entertainment?
Personally, I don't think so.
ps It should be noted that there is also a fair bit of detritus that is produced by the BBC.
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12 November 2012, 11:56 AM
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OK then.
Newsnight don't name McAlpine.
Mr Messham is shown a picture of McAlpine by the Police who say it's McAlpine, but it's a mistake.
Internet/social media spread the rumour that McAlpine is a deviant peado.
Philip Scofield show's the PM a list of names from the internet/social media sites, the PM then say's it's a gay witch hunt (how does he know there are gay people on the list?).
BUT the DG of the BBC get hung out to dry!
Newsnight don't name McAlpine.
Mr Messham is shown a picture of McAlpine by the Police who say it's McAlpine, but it's a mistake.
Internet/social media spread the rumour that McAlpine is a deviant peado.
Philip Scofield show's the PM a list of names from the internet/social media sites, the PM then say's it's a gay witch hunt (how does he know there are gay people on the list?).
BUT the DG of the BBC get hung out to dry!
12 November 2012, 12:06 PM
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OK then.
Newsnight don't name McAlpine.
Mr Messham is shown a picture of McAlpine by the Police who say it's McAlpine, but it's a mistake.
Internet/social media spread the rumour that McAlpine is a deviant peado.
Philip Scofield show's the PM a list of names from the internet/social media sites, the PM then say's it's a gay witch hunt (how does he know there are gay people on the list?).
BUT the DG of the BBC get hung out to dry!
Newsnight don't name McAlpine.
Mr Messham is shown a picture of McAlpine by the Police who say it's McAlpine, but it's a mistake.
Internet/social media spread the rumour that McAlpine is a deviant peado.
Philip Scofield show's the PM a list of names from the internet/social media sites, the PM then say's it's a gay witch hunt (how does he know there are gay people on the list?).
BUT the DG of the BBC get hung out to dry!
12 November 2012, 12:06 PM
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12 November 2012, 12:49 PM
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They put it about that they were going to name a prominent Tory as a paedophile.
This person, (apparently unlike their former employee of long standing, Mr Savile) was innocent.
They started a witch hunt that had no standing and just let everyone fill in the dots.
WTF were they thinking?
I would have more respect for them if they had named him.
This person, (apparently unlike their former employee of long standing, Mr Savile) was innocent.
They started a witch hunt that had no standing and just let everyone fill in the dots.
WTF were they thinking?
I would have more respect for them if they had named him.
12 November 2012, 02:07 PM
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There are people on SN naming name's who they think is a "Saville" associate peado. Will they be tracked down and prosecuted?
Mr Messham named names due to a police error, is the Chief Constable of North Wales Police being sacked?
I am going to **** Cameron Diaz!
Does not mean to say I will but it is attention grabbing.
Mr Messham named names due to a police error, is the Chief Constable of North Wales Police being sacked?
I am going to **** Cameron Diaz!
Does not mean to say I will but it is attention grabbing.
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