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20 July 2012, 11:32 AM
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20 July 2012, 12:33 PM
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Despite the panic and mayhem that ensued whilst the gunman was going round indescrimately shooting and killing people, someone still manages to capture a video of it on their phone.
20 July 2012, 12:46 PM
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20 July 2012, 01:02 PM
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the next 50 years will be interesting
the US is increasingly looking like a basket case
infrastructure crumbling, increasingly irrelevent in the world
with social metrics little better than a third rate African country
a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba
bankrupt without the support of China
it will resemble a South American country of the 70's in a few years time
the US is increasingly looking like a basket case
infrastructure crumbling, increasingly irrelevent in the world
with social metrics little better than a third rate African country
a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba
bankrupt without the support of China
it will resemble a South American country of the 70's in a few years time
20 July 2012, 01:29 PM
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the next 50 years will be interesting
the US is increasingly looking like a basket case
infrastructure crumbling, increasingly irrelevent in the world
with social metrics little better than a third rate African country
a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba
bankrupt without the support of China
it will resemble a South American country of the 70's in a few years time
the US is increasingly looking like a basket case
infrastructure crumbling, increasingly irrelevent in the world
with social metrics little better than a third rate African country
a worse infant mortality rate than Cuba
bankrupt without the support of China
it will resemble a South American country of the 70's in a few years time
As Nietzsche said, we are now past all that. Obviously we don't yet know the details of this particular case at this minute, but in the developed countries now there will be large numbers of people living in a world of their own construction without the constraints of previous group morals. The value of anything might not be so meaningful to them, and so different behaviours are simply thought of as different rather than bad per se. In my opinion, this makes them more susceptible to committing horrific acts like this. They will be living in their own worlds and possibly getting a quite far from what we would consider 'reality' - and different things will become good and bad to them. It's nihilism.
Have you not seen the stuff about the people living in Tokyo without any contact with other human beings? I watched a program about these people living in isolation in the middle of the city, alone in little box houses. Frightening stuff! How different could there thoughts and behaviour potentially be from someone who socialises in a way that we would consider normal? And of the course, the US is home to such a way of life that permits people to live like this. There are problems, of course, but they affect the working population. Most young people in America can grow up now without many moral constraints or the need to do much at all that they don't want to. The length of time they're spending in education (again, not the 'real' world of having to muck along) has been increasing.
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20 July 2012, 02:06 PM
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There will also be consequences due to moral relativism and the way people are living now. Historically, people used to end up on a bit of a predetermined course where they just had to get along with others. Most people were poor and working every hour god sent was the only way to survive, so they had to just get along with each other. As a result, there were strong feelings of the right and wrong way to act (morals). If you did something different, or even thought in a different way, you were considered weird and would be an outcast, and then you wouldn't be able to get by, so there would be very few, if any, of those people. A person would even feel this strong moral instinct in themselves and so wouldn't question anything.
As Nietzsche said, we are now past all that. Obviously we don't yet know the details of this particular case at this minute, but in the developed countries now there will be large numbers of people living in a world of their own construction without the constraints of previous group morals. The value of anything might not be so meaningful to them, and so different behaviours are simply thought of as different rather than bad per se. In my opinion, this makes them more susceptible to committing horrific acts like this. They will be living in their own worlds and possibly getting a quite far from what we would consider 'reality' - and different things will become good and bad to them. It's nihilism.
Have you not seen the stuff about the people living in Tokyo without any contact with other human beings? I watched a program about these people living in isolation in the middle of the city, alone in little box houses. Frightening stuff! How different could there thoughts and behaviour potentially be from someone who socialises in a way that we would consider normal? And of the course, the US is home to such a way of life that permits people to live like this. There are problems, of course, but they affect the working population. Most young people in America can grow up now without many moral constraints or the need to do much at all that they don't want to. The length of time they're spending in education (again, not the 'real' world of having to muck along) has been increasing.
As Nietzsche said, we are now past all that. Obviously we don't yet know the details of this particular case at this minute, but in the developed countries now there will be large numbers of people living in a world of their own construction without the constraints of previous group morals. The value of anything might not be so meaningful to them, and so different behaviours are simply thought of as different rather than bad per se. In my opinion, this makes them more susceptible to committing horrific acts like this. They will be living in their own worlds and possibly getting a quite far from what we would consider 'reality' - and different things will become good and bad to them. It's nihilism.
Have you not seen the stuff about the people living in Tokyo without any contact with other human beings? I watched a program about these people living in isolation in the middle of the city, alone in little box houses. Frightening stuff! How different could there thoughts and behaviour potentially be from someone who socialises in a way that we would consider normal? And of the course, the US is home to such a way of life that permits people to live like this. There are problems, of course, but they affect the working population. Most young people in America can grow up now without many moral constraints or the need to do much at all that they don't want to. The length of time they're spending in education (again, not the 'real' world of having to muck along) has been increasing.
That's got me thinking! Cheers Glasgakiss.
20 July 2012, 02:14 PM
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Utterly horrendous, I don't think it will ever be stopped as long as people have access to firearms, even if they didn't they would find something else if so inclined and if the American government did try to stop private gun ownership this would seem like a minor incident. Think it is too late for the US and this is never going to stop, we stopped gun ownership and Derrick Bird still managed a pretty high score on his rampage.
Where is Batman and Robin when you need them, did they arrive too late, Batman looking aghast and Robin just saying "Holy Cinema-goers batman"
Where is Batman and Robin when you need them, did they arrive too late, Batman looking aghast and Robin just saying "Holy Cinema-goers batman"
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Utterly horrendous, I don't think it will ever be stopped as long as people have access to firearms, even if they didn't they would find something else if so inclined and if the American government did try to stop private gun ownership this would seem like a minor incident. Think it is too late for the US and this is never going to stop, we stopped gun ownership and Derrick Bird still managed a pretty high score on his rampage.
Where is Batman and Robin when you need them, did they arrive too late, Batman looking aghast and Robin just saying "Holy Cinema-goers batman"
Where is Batman and Robin when you need them, did they arrive too late, Batman looking aghast and Robin just saying "Holy Cinema-goers batman"
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Good post, GlesgaKiss. In my opinion the human race has now entered a state of negative evolution, ie we're regressing. Not sure when we were at our peak but maybe the 1950s. As you say, people had to get along, people had to take responsibility. These days it's about blame and entitlement. The older ones amongst us probably notice the change more. I don't want to stick my head in an oven just yet, but i'm saying the outlook for "being human" is on a downward trajectory.
20 July 2012, 03:55 PM
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It's not about gun laws, as Bowling for Columbine teaches - Canada, and even Switzerland have comparable or higher gun ownership rates, and only a fraction of gun-related deaths. (That said, perhaps they should be banned as they clearly cannot be trusted, as a nation, to be responsible with them).
There's just a lot more messed up people in the US for some reason.
There's just a lot more messed up people in the US for some reason.
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20 July 2012, 04:44 PM
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There are pretty good reasons why Canada, Switzerland and even Israel cope with a high gun ownership without habitually slaugtering themselves.
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As details continue to emerge surrounding the shooting at a "Dark Knight Rises" showing on Friday (July 20) in Aurora, Colorado — which claimed the lives of at least 12 and wounded around 50 more — one victim's eerie connection to a previous shooting has come to light.
Among the 12 dead is believed to be Jessica Ghawi, known professionally as Jessica Redfield, who just last month was shopping in Toronto's Eaton Centre minutes before a gunman opened fire, killing two and injuring six others. The aspiring newscaster wrote about the June 2 incident on her blog.
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/
https://twitter.com/JessicaRedfield
Among the 12 dead is believed to be Jessica Ghawi, known professionally as Jessica Redfield, who just last month was shopping in Toronto's Eaton Centre minutes before a gunman opened fire, killing two and injuring six others. The aspiring newscaster wrote about the June 2 incident on her blog.
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/
https://twitter.com/JessicaRedfield
20 July 2012, 08:22 PM
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Sad event, especially the girl who was at the Eaton Center and avoided getting injured when some other nutter decided a public place was a good area to settle their differences.
Colorado does have the death penalty, from what I can tell there has only been one person executed since it was reinstated and that was in 1977. I would suspect that this chap, if he doesn't take the chicken **** way out, will be added to that list, but it'll be lethal injection, rather than electric chair, or possibly more apt, firing squad.
Some snippets I've just seen indicate he said "I'm the Joker" when police arrested him, so I'd say, if not already apparent, he's not playing with a full deck of cards.
Colorado does have the death penalty, from what I can tell there has only been one person executed since it was reinstated and that was in 1977. I would suspect that this chap, if he doesn't take the chicken **** way out, will be added to that list, but it'll be lethal injection, rather than electric chair, or possibly more apt, firing squad.
Some snippets I've just seen indicate he said "I'm the Joker" when police arrested him, so I'd say, if not already apparent, he's not playing with a full deck of cards.
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There will also be consequences due to moral relativism and the way people are living now. Historically, people used to end up on a bit of a predetermined course where they just had to get along with others. Most people were poor and working every hour god sent was the only way to survive, so they had to just get along with each other. As a result, there were strong feelings of the right and wrong way to act (morals). If you did something different, or even thought in a different way, you were considered weird and would be an outcast, and then you wouldn't be able to get by, so there would be very few, if any, of those people. A person would even feel this strong moral instinct in themselves and so wouldn't question anything.
As Nietzsche said, we are now past all that. Obviously we don't yet know the details of this particular case at this minute, but in the developed countries now there will be large numbers of people living in a world of their own construction without the constraints of previous group morals. The value of anything might not be so meaningful to them, and so different behaviours are simply thought of as different rather than bad per se. In my opinion, this makes them more susceptible to committing horrific acts like this. They will be living in their own worlds and possibly getting a quite far from what we would consider 'reality' - and different things will become good and bad to them. It's nihilism.
Have you not seen the stuff about the people living in Tokyo without any contact with other human beings? I watched a program about these people living in isolation in the middle of the city, alone in little box houses. Frightening stuff! How different could there thoughts and behaviour potentially be from someone who socialises in a way that we would consider normal? And of the course, the US is home to such a way of life that permits people to live like this. There are problems, of course, but they affect the working population. Most young people in America can grow up now without many moral constraints or the need to do much at all that they don't want to. The length of time they're spending in education (again, not the 'real' world of having to muck along) has been increasing.
As Nietzsche said, we are now past all that. Obviously we don't yet know the details of this particular case at this minute, but in the developed countries now there will be large numbers of people living in a world of their own construction without the constraints of previous group morals. The value of anything might not be so meaningful to them, and so different behaviours are simply thought of as different rather than bad per se. In my opinion, this makes them more susceptible to committing horrific acts like this. They will be living in their own worlds and possibly getting a quite far from what we would consider 'reality' - and different things will become good and bad to them. It's nihilism.
Have you not seen the stuff about the people living in Tokyo without any contact with other human beings? I watched a program about these people living in isolation in the middle of the city, alone in little box houses. Frightening stuff! How different could there thoughts and behaviour potentially be from someone who socialises in a way that we would consider normal? And of the course, the US is home to such a way of life that permits people to live like this. There are problems, of course, but they affect the working population. Most young people in America can grow up now without many moral constraints or the need to do much at all that they don't want to. The length of time they're spending in education (again, not the 'real' world of having to muck along) has been increasing.