Booze...
23 June 2012, 02:25 PM
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Booze...
I have cut down my intake quite a lot with trying to lose weight, but there is a strong drinking culture at our place and some of the bosses are animals, my boss likes a drink but kind of knows when to stop, his opposite number doesn't and I think he must be heading for a problem
He has been "on it" for two weeks, his team had a team meeting for a week in a hotel, they didn't finish drinking each night before about one am, sometimes as late as four am, then this week has been staying in hotels with his opposite number and various visitors so the same again, I went out for a meal with them and they battered it, few pints in the pub, beer with the meal, along with Vodka and Tonics, three hours in the Restaurant, then off to the pub until one am, then back to the hotel where they finally called it a draw at four am, arrived at work the following day reeking of booze. Then they were planning the next night.
How long can someone keep that up for, he looks fooked, developing a massive beer belly, getting those thread veins in his nose, all red and florrid looking, limping all the time, he eats crap as well, how long can he go on for like that, he claims to have 6 to 8 pints a night, on a normal night, some of them egg him on, like betting him to drink six shots of Jaagermeister which to me is ****ing daft and something you do when you are 21, not into your forties.
How do you tackle something like that ? I like the guy and am concerned but he seems to think its a noble pursuit, I would feel crap after one night like that and not drink for ages.
Not sure what to do really, not really any of my business but I reckon he is going to kill himself at this rate.
He has been "on it" for two weeks, his team had a team meeting for a week in a hotel, they didn't finish drinking each night before about one am, sometimes as late as four am, then this week has been staying in hotels with his opposite number and various visitors so the same again, I went out for a meal with them and they battered it, few pints in the pub, beer with the meal, along with Vodka and Tonics, three hours in the Restaurant, then off to the pub until one am, then back to the hotel where they finally called it a draw at four am, arrived at work the following day reeking of booze. Then they were planning the next night.
How long can someone keep that up for, he looks fooked, developing a massive beer belly, getting those thread veins in his nose, all red and florrid looking, limping all the time, he eats crap as well, how long can he go on for like that, he claims to have 6 to 8 pints a night, on a normal night, some of them egg him on, like betting him to drink six shots of Jaagermeister which to me is ****ing daft and something you do when you are 21, not into your forties.
How do you tackle something like that ? I like the guy and am concerned but he seems to think its a noble pursuit, I would feel crap after one night like that and not drink for ages.
Not sure what to do really, not really any of my business but I reckon he is going to kill himself at this rate.
23 June 2012, 02:49 PM
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if he's an adult then let him get on with it - not your problem in my opinion
deep, deep down he knows the risks
as for yourself, well, you sound grounded so drink at your own pace - i'm the same, not a big drinker but can smoke most people under the table
when people egg me on to drink more I just tell them to look after themselves and leave me alone - then when we light up a bifter and they're throwing a whitey after 5 minutes I have the last laugh!
deep, deep down he knows the risks
as for yourself, well, you sound grounded so drink at your own pace - i'm the same, not a big drinker but can smoke most people under the table
when people egg me on to drink more I just tell them to look after themselves and leave me alone - then when we light up a bifter and they're throwing a whitey after 5 minutes I have the last laugh!
23 June 2012, 06:34 PM
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if he's an adult then let him get on with it - not your problem in my opinion
deep, deep down he knows the risks
as for yourself, well, you sound grounded so drink at your own pace - i'm the same, not a big drinker but can smoke most people under the table
when people egg me on to drink more I just tell them to look after themselves and leave me alone - then when we light up a bifter and they're throwing a whitey after 5 minutes I have the last laugh!
deep, deep down he knows the risks
as for yourself, well, you sound grounded so drink at your own pace - i'm the same, not a big drinker but can smoke most people under the table
when people egg me on to drink more I just tell them to look after themselves and leave me alone - then when we light up a bifter and they're throwing a whitey after 5 minutes I have the last laugh!
You'll grow out of it one day, maybe when you get out of your teens.
23 June 2012, 07:16 PM
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23 June 2012, 07:28 PM
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On the contrary, I was a pothead for many, many a year and in reality, possibly still paying the price well into my forties, with continued psychological problems to this day.
Manageable but what I've suffered coupled with what I've paid to psychologists outweighs any fun from the stoned early years !
Don't want to start the debate about proven links between pot smoking and mental illness but if anyone needs a test case, I'm here
Manageable but what I've suffered coupled with what I've paid to psychologists outweighs any fun from the stoned early years !
Don't want to start the debate about proven links between pot smoking and mental illness but if anyone needs a test case, I'm here
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23 June 2012, 07:47 PM
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Pete, dont get me wrong, we are all very professional in work, it is a hard working team that gets some impressive results, these guys work almost as hard as they play, very little sickness on the team, it is just that they overdo the play hard bit, seriously when these guys aint drinking they are working and they talk work when they are drinking a lot of the time.
23 June 2012, 07:50 PM
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Pete, dont get me wrong, we are all very professional in work, it is a hard working team that gets some impressive results, these guys work almost as hard as they play, very little sickness on the team, it is just that they overdo the play hard bit, seriously when these guys aint drinking they are working and they talk work when they are drinking a lot of the time.
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23 June 2012, 08:14 PM
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Pete, dont get me wrong, we are all very professional in work, it is a hard working team that gets some impressive results, these guys work almost as hard as they play, very little sickness on the team, it is just that they overdo the play hard bit, seriously when these guys aint drinking they are working and they talk work when they are drinking a lot of the time.
23 June 2012, 08:19 PM
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Who the hell are you anyway? I said it before in the Escort RS thread that there are far too many self-righteous ***** on this forum. You make sweeping assumptions about someone based on one comment about smoking yet you're the one with the mental health issues. I've read quite a bit about mental health problems and the relationship between thc, cbn's and cbd's and the conclusion is nearly always that cannabinoids can cause underlying mental health problems to appear or existing ones to be exaggerated. In other words the psychoactive part of marijuana doesn't cause mental health problems but can bring it out of people. There's plenty of fruitloops who have never touched a spliff as there are millions of people who smoke marijuana without experiencing any mental health issues.
Oh, and by the way, you're talking to a 40 year old solicitor not some spotty little teenage 'erbert so mind your manners and while your at it get off your high horse as well.
23 June 2012, 08:26 PM
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I know someone who has smoked the above since he was 18 and now is 53 and is perfectly ok and is VERY clever. I must admit though he's a luney in a Scooby and still loves rave music....God i love my old man!
I do think it is more personal than drug to be honest from personal experiences.
I do think it is more personal than drug to be honest from personal experiences.
23 June 2012, 09:09 PM
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Jacko, talk to the boozer and let him know that you are worried about his excessive drinking. He can either tell you to mind your own orange juice or be very touched that you cared. Nothing to lose, just tell him that he will die if he doesn't sort himself out.
You can share your concern with others who drink with him, but as you say there is a strong drinking culture at your workplace, I think there's no point in doing that. Others may think you are just jealous joy killer as you yourself can't drink as much as them at the moment due to your diet project. It does happen that when one has to (even willingly in a happy mode) suppress a desire or two, others getting on with the fulfilment of those desires starts to look far more noticeable and intense. A converted outsider seems to take it far more seriously than the insider. It is often seen in smoking cessation cases. At the moment you are an outsider with your boundaries for alcohol consumption, and this makes you vulnerable of being seen a sour grapes fox to your drinking colleagues. I am not saying at all that you ever drank as much as that boozer does, but you know what this world is like. We try helping others, but end up getting **** in return. So, I wouldn't talk to any other alcovultures at work, although it is also an idea to tackle the problem. I'd instead face the person in question head on.
By the way, this man might just be going through a silly phase. If he isn't a chronic alky, he may not die so soon, and even get back on the track after a couple of weeks of a bender. Then again, he might go other way totally. I'd talk to him, Jacko. Go for it. Good luck, as you might need that.
You can share your concern with others who drink with him, but as you say there is a strong drinking culture at your workplace, I think there's no point in doing that. Others may think you are just jealous joy killer as you yourself can't drink as much as them at the moment due to your diet project. It does happen that when one has to (even willingly in a happy mode) suppress a desire or two, others getting on with the fulfilment of those desires starts to look far more noticeable and intense. A converted outsider seems to take it far more seriously than the insider. It is often seen in smoking cessation cases. At the moment you are an outsider with your boundaries for alcohol consumption, and this makes you vulnerable of being seen a sour grapes fox to your drinking colleagues. I am not saying at all that you ever drank as much as that boozer does, but you know what this world is like. We try helping others, but end up getting **** in return. So, I wouldn't talk to any other alcovultures at work, although it is also an idea to tackle the problem. I'd instead face the person in question head on.
By the way, this man might just be going through a silly phase. If he isn't a chronic alky, he may not die so soon, and even get back on the track after a couple of weeks of a bender. Then again, he might go other way totally. I'd talk to him, Jacko. Go for it. Good luck, as you might need that.
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23 June 2012, 09:16 PM
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It is a difficult one to deal with but whether you get involved depends on relational proximity because people easily get offended or become defensive when an issue like this is flagged up even with the right motive.
An alternative is possibly to have a word with someone who is closer to the individual in question.
An alternative is possibly to have a word with someone who is closer to the individual in question.
23 June 2012, 09:21 PM
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I'm a qualified solicitor and I work in Professional Indemnity insurance for a very large firm of insurers.
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23 June 2012, 10:17 PM
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I wouldn't say anything. When I briefly had an office job ages ago I shunned the drinking culture, main reason I hate obligatory socialising with work people (9-5 is enough for people who you have nothing in common with but work), plus also I was doing a lot of sport at the time and not really interested in drinking, still don't drink much.
This made me a bit of an outsider at work. It was a cliquey place really.
This made me a bit of an outsider at work. It was a cliquey place really.
23 June 2012, 11:05 PM
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I wouldn't say anything. When I briefly had an office job ages ago I shunned the drinking culture, main reason I hate obligatory socialising with work people (9-5 is enough for people who you have nothing in common with but work), plus also I was doing a lot of sport at the time and not really interested in drinking, still don't drink much.
This made me a bit of an outsider at work. It was a cliquey place really.
This made me a bit of an outsider at work. It was a cliquey place really.
Must be a feeling you've got used to over the years......
24 June 2012, 07:11 AM
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I think you need to tell him your concerns,although its unlikely he will stop if he is prone to be alcoholic.
I lost one of my sisters to alcohol 6 weeks ago ,she was 49 yrs old,no one knows why she drank and she had done for 30 years or so.She had done the rehab thing several times but always ended up drinking again.
I like a drink myself and as most men ,have had many a bender ,stag weeks etc but at 42 now ,if I have one heavy session i suffer like holy hell the next day,which usually puts me off drinking for a while,maybe its this what stops people turning into an alcoholic,who knows?
I lost one of my sisters to alcohol 6 weeks ago ,she was 49 yrs old,no one knows why she drank and she had done for 30 years or so.She had done the rehab thing several times but always ended up drinking again.
I like a drink myself and as most men ,have had many a bender ,stag weeks etc but at 42 now ,if I have one heavy session i suffer like holy hell the next day,which usually puts me off drinking for a while,maybe its this what stops people turning into an alcoholic,who knows?
24 June 2012, 09:05 AM
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Sorry to hear that
Did she work btw. I know someone in same position , she recently had 2 clots removed from her brain , absolute last minute rescue by a neighbor too , otherwise she wouldn't be here.
Same thing , been drinking longer than we all realised . Must be 52 now ...?
So far I gather it might have scared her into not drinking, can only hope
But she hasn't worked in 20 years ( had good jobs before that ) ,i don't see how you can do a job AND be a serious alcoholic
Did she work btw. I know someone in same position , she recently had 2 clots removed from her brain , absolute last minute rescue by a neighbor too , otherwise she wouldn't be here.
Same thing , been drinking longer than we all realised . Must be 52 now ...?
So far I gather it might have scared her into not drinking, can only hope
But she hasn't worked in 20 years ( had good jobs before that ) ,i don't see how you can do a job AND be a serious alcoholic
24 June 2012, 09:53 AM
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I have cut down my intake quite a lot with trying to lose weight, but there is a strong drinking culture at our place and some of the bosses are animals, my boss likes a drink but kind of knows when to stop, his opposite number doesn't and I think he must be heading for a problem
He has been "on it" for two weeks, his team had a team meeting for a week in a hotel, they didn't finish drinking each night before about one am, sometimes as late as four am, then this week has been staying in hotels with his opposite number and various visitors so the same again, I went out for a meal with them and they battered it, few pints in the pub, beer with the meal, along with Vodka and Tonics, three hours in the Restaurant, then off to the pub until one am, then back to the hotel where they finally called it a draw at four am, arrived at work the following day reeking of booze. Then they were planning the next night.
How long can someone keep that up for, he looks fooked, developing a massive beer belly, getting those thread veins in his nose, all red and florrid looking, limping all the time, he eats crap as well, how long can he go on for like that, he claims to have 6 to 8 pints a night, on a normal night, some of them egg him on, like betting him to drink six shots of Jaagermeister which to me is ****ing daft and something you do when you are 21, not into your forties.
How do you tackle something like that ? I like the guy and am concerned but he seems to think its a noble pursuit, I would feel crap after one night like that and not drink for ages.
Not sure what to do really, not really any of my business but I reckon he is going to kill himself at this rate.
He has been "on it" for two weeks, his team had a team meeting for a week in a hotel, they didn't finish drinking each night before about one am, sometimes as late as four am, then this week has been staying in hotels with his opposite number and various visitors so the same again, I went out for a meal with them and they battered it, few pints in the pub, beer with the meal, along with Vodka and Tonics, three hours in the Restaurant, then off to the pub until one am, then back to the hotel where they finally called it a draw at four am, arrived at work the following day reeking of booze. Then they were planning the next night.
How long can someone keep that up for, he looks fooked, developing a massive beer belly, getting those thread veins in his nose, all red and florrid looking, limping all the time, he eats crap as well, how long can he go on for like that, he claims to have 6 to 8 pints a night, on a normal night, some of them egg him on, like betting him to drink six shots of Jaagermeister which to me is ****ing daft and something you do when you are 21, not into your forties.
How do you tackle something like that ? I like the guy and am concerned but he seems to think its a noble pursuit, I would feel crap after one night like that and not drink for ages.
Not sure what to do really, not really any of my business but I reckon he is going to kill himself at this rate.
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24 June 2012, 10:03 AM
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Sorry to hear that
Did she work btw. I know someone in same position , she recently had 2 clots removed from her brain , absolute last minute rescue by a neighbor too , otherwise she wouldn't be here.
Same thing , been drinking longer than we all realised . Must be 52 now ...?
So far I gather it might have scared her into not drinking, can only hope
But she hasn't worked in 20 years ( had good jobs before that ) ,i don't see how you can do a job AND be a serious alcoholic
Did she work btw. I know someone in same position , she recently had 2 clots removed from her brain , absolute last minute rescue by a neighbor too , otherwise she wouldn't be here.
Same thing , been drinking longer than we all realised . Must be 52 now ...?
So far I gather it might have scared her into not drinking, can only hope
But she hasn't worked in 20 years ( had good jobs before that ) ,i don't see how you can do a job AND be a serious alcoholic
There is a lot more to this tale which I cant say much about at the moment.Her late husbands estate had not been sorted out from 4 yrs ago and I now know she had a lot of worry about her finances.Her husband was a bit of an Arthur Daley type and he was on the brink of being quite wealthy and his business affairs were due to come to fruition this year,which she would have benefitted from .She had been taken advantage of financially in the last few yrs which I am sure contributed to her drinking and death.
Anyway enough thread hijacking ,I will tell more when I can.
24 June 2012, 01:26 PM
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Sorry to hear about your sister mate, that is so sad, there was a girl in her twenties that died at my wife's place through drink, quite an achievement to kill yourself through booze at such and early age.
I love drink but I can take or leave it, if I have had a few one night I don't want to know the next night, not sure if the chap at work is physically dependent on it like some or but it is his peer group and lifestyle that fosters it and he embraces it, it is almost like his hobby and would leave a big void if he didn't do it, his socializing is all in the pub or with work colleagues.
I am not going to do anything, not my place but I think the company need to curb the boozing and what can be put through on expenses but that would be annoying as my two pints when I am in a hotel, perhaps a glass of wine with dinner are something that makes it more pleasurable, they are generous but companies usually go the other way if they feel people are taking the ****, I am taking my team to the states in September and we will have a few drinks in the evening but not like this, alcohol is good in a social situation, gets people talking but less is more, wish people would realise that !
I love drink but I can take or leave it, if I have had a few one night I don't want to know the next night, not sure if the chap at work is physically dependent on it like some or but it is his peer group and lifestyle that fosters it and he embraces it, it is almost like his hobby and would leave a big void if he didn't do it, his socializing is all in the pub or with work colleagues.
I am not going to do anything, not my place but I think the company need to curb the boozing and what can be put through on expenses but that would be annoying as my two pints when I am in a hotel, perhaps a glass of wine with dinner are something that makes it more pleasurable, they are generous but companies usually go the other way if they feel people are taking the ****, I am taking my team to the states in September and we will have a few drinks in the evening but not like this, alcohol is good in a social situation, gets people talking but less is more, wish people would realise that !