Trading my car in but
#1
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: WIGAN
Posts: 798
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Trading my car in but
i know its dishonest but if i trade my car in at a garage knowing there is a big fault with the engine once i have signed it over and taken the new car is there anything the garage can do about it
#2
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (22)
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Doncaster, S. Yorks.
Posts: 21,415
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dunno, depends on the fault and if they are savvy enough to a) inspect it prior to the sale and b) actually find it.
It is dishonest, yes, but happens more than you probably think.
It is dishonest, yes, but happens more than you probably think.
#4
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: WIGAN
Posts: 798
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the thing is iv had quotes of £4000 for the fault rectified its a big job
but i don't want it coming back and biting my in the **** i can cope with abuse of the garage but i dont want them to make me have it back and take the new car back
but i don't want it coming back and biting my in the **** i can cope with abuse of the garage but i dont want them to make me have it back and take the new car back
#5
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: mostly in work
Posts: 613
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
thing is, when they sell the car on, most usually have a 3 month warranty for the new buyer so its usually the warranty's insurance underwriter that takes the bill
#6
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: southampton
Posts: 4,067
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
a salesman will look at it start it and thats it, oh and hpi it, if they choose not to inspect it further its there fsault, your doing nothing worng, however bare one thing in mind if you bring yours backa few weeks later they wont be so keen to help you lol
#7
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lancaster
Posts: 613
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Don't do it, you know it's wrong so man up and do the right thing, too many dishonest people in this country, don't become one of them, it's certain it will bite you in the **** in some way.
Trending Topics
#10
if they have allready looked at the car and given you a price for it then yep i would trade it just turn up to collect the new car park it up do the paperwork and run. there problem if they can't be botherd to check it over properly.
but would never do it to a private sale as said above with a dealer i look at it as karma.
but would never do it to a private sale as said above with a dealer i look at it as karma.
#11
Almost everyone who trades are car in to a dealer is trying to rip them off in some way, I cannot fathom how people accuse car dealers of being dishonest at the same time as doing thier best to part ex them a ****ed car. I can bet that there are more honest car dealers out there than there are honest customers. Main dealers do not count of course as they are theiving *******s themselves.
#14
Scooby Regular
Are you trading your knackered car for one of theirs? Isn't that just as much of a gamble?
If all you have to sign is the bit of the V5 theres nothing they can do. If you have to sign a disclaimer it might not be that clear cut.
If all you have to sign is the bit of the V5 theres nothing they can do. If you have to sign a disclaimer it might not be that clear cut.
#15
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: RIP Tam.
Posts: 5,108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Does it cause an dashboard light to show? would you know about the problem if the engine is started / running?
Most dealers look inside, switch on the ignition and rarely start the engine so most would not pick up on most unobvious problems, as far as recourse I doubt they have any especially if it is a fault that could have happened at anytime ir one that is slow to become terminal i.e you know its there but you don't necessary need to fix it until it either goes or is near its end life.
Personally I think you should just take it in and if theyspot it withdraw from any sale if not then its all sorted (provided it doesnt go while you are waiting to pick the new one up lol)
Most dealers look inside, switch on the ignition and rarely start the engine so most would not pick up on most unobvious problems, as far as recourse I doubt they have any especially if it is a fault that could have happened at anytime ir one that is slow to become terminal i.e you know its there but you don't necessary need to fix it until it either goes or is near its end life.
Personally I think you should just take it in and if theyspot it withdraw from any sale if not then its all sorted (provided it doesnt go while you are waiting to pick the new one up lol)
#17
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: WIGAN
Posts: 798
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the problem is on my audi s4 v8 they are prone to start up rattle on the timing chains
the tensioners become worn and allow the oil to drain back so when you start it up they rattle like hell for a few seconds but its gone one step further and the tensioners are now worn. when you start it from cold and allow the rattle to stop but not worm up its fine the next time you start it as long as you take your time and dont flog it
but as the chains are on the back of the engine its a very big job and very expensive
the tensioners become worn and allow the oil to drain back so when you start it up they rattle like hell for a few seconds but its gone one step further and the tensioners are now worn. when you start it from cold and allow the rattle to stop but not worm up its fine the next time you start it as long as you take your time and dont flog it
but as the chains are on the back of the engine its a very big job and very expensive
#20
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Central Scotland
Posts: 3,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the problem is on my audi s4 v8 they are prone to start up rattle on the timing chains
the tensioners become worn and allow the oil to drain back so when you start it up they rattle like hell for a few seconds but its gone one step further and the tensioners are now worn. when you start it from cold and allow the rattle to stop but not worm up its fine the next time you start it as long as you take your time and dont flog it
but as the chains are on the back of the engine its a very big job and very expensive
the tensioners become worn and allow the oil to drain back so when you start it up they rattle like hell for a few seconds but its gone one step further and the tensioners are now worn. when you start it from cold and allow the rattle to stop but not worm up its fine the next time you start it as long as you take your time and dont flog it
but as the chains are on the back of the engine its a very big job and very expensive
Looks like a bit of maintainence might have helped so if you do swap, get one you can afford to look after!
webuyanycar.com is probably a good call. However, selling a car, even privately with a known fault could get you in trouble. If they ask you directly and you lie they could well come after you as this isn't a worn pad or something.
Of course, the thing there is a known problem....
5t.
#21
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (19)
i think it is a sad state of affairs if you have to come on here and ask people's opinion about knowingly deceiving someone. It does not matter if they are ****ty thieving dealers, it does not make it right.
I would have hoped your conscience should be a yardstick of your honesty.
If you were doing this as a way of getting back at someone who had fleeced you or had done you out of 4K then maybe, just maybe it might be classed as okay (ish) but I doubt this is the case here
I would have hoped your conscience should be a yardstick of your honesty.
If you were doing this as a way of getting back at someone who had fleeced you or had done you out of 4K then maybe, just maybe it might be classed as okay (ish) but I doubt this is the case here
#23
Almost everyone who trades are car in to a dealer is trying to rip them off in some way, I cannot fathom how people accuse car dealers of being dishonest at the same time as doing thier best to part ex them a ****ed car. I can bet that there are more honest car dealers out there than there are honest customers. Main dealers do not count of course as they are theiving *******s themselves.
I don't think it is right personally to try and trade a car in if you know it has a major fault and you don't mention this. Having said that I firmly believe most car dealers and their salespeople are scum and trying to rip you off anyway. To be honest if I was trying to trade a dodgy car in I would probably avoid an independent so as not to really harm anyone.
#24
#25
I think that not only would you be pushing your luck but your dishonesty if you diddle them is something you would have to live with.
I think you should face up to the problem and accept your bad luck.
Les
I think you should face up to the problem and accept your bad luck.
Les
#26
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Central Scotland
Posts: 3,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As others have said though, I don;t agree with being dishonest. I might trade a car in as the MOT is expiring or it needs a service but I wouldn't punt on something with a known (and expensive) issue.
5t.
#27
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Weston Super Mare, Somerset.
Posts: 14,102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i think it is a sad state of affairs if you have to come on here and ask people's opinion about knowingly deceiving someone. It does not matter if they are ****ty thieving dealers, it does not make it right.
I would have hoped your conscience should be a yardstick of your honesty.
If you were doing this as a way of getting back at someone who had fleeced you or had done you out of 4K then maybe, just maybe it might be classed as okay (ish) but I doubt this is the case here
I would have hoped your conscience should be a yardstick of your honesty.
If you were doing this as a way of getting back at someone who had fleeced you or had done you out of 4K then maybe, just maybe it might be classed as okay (ish) but I doubt this is the case here
There is a code, as they say.
I might feel easier if I said to the guy "well she does rattle like hell when you start her up".
Note I doubt it would cost the garage anything like £4k if they did take the repair on. What is it - a 2 day job plus parts?
dl
#29
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Ha ha that is very true.
I don't think it is right personally to try and trade a car in if you know it has a major fault and you don't mention this. Having said that I firmly believe most car dealers and their salespeople are scum and trying to rip you off anyway. To be honest if I was trying to trade a dodgy car in I would probably avoid an independent so as not to really harm anyone.
I don't think it is right personally to try and trade a car in if you know it has a major fault and you don't mention this. Having said that I firmly believe most car dealers and their salespeople are scum and trying to rip you off anyway. To be honest if I was trying to trade a dodgy car in I would probably avoid an independent so as not to really harm anyone.
Which lets face it, is a selfish, greedy attitude to have.
In my 13 years when I was selling cars, the number of customers who thought you were ripping them off because they "thought" their car was worth £1000-£2000 more than it was, was astonishing! Car dealers KNOW what cars are worth, if they don't, they get them underwritten by someone who does KNOW what that particular car is worth.
Or, the amount of customers who had been offered £500 more for their part ex from another dealer and come to the conclusion that you were trying to rip them off by £500! It hadn't even occurred to them that the other car may have been £500 overpriced, hence the difference.
One valuable lesson to learn is that it isn't how much you get offered for your car, it's how much it will cost you to change.
Ie, £14995 - £4995 = £10k. That's the only figure that matters. If you would rather spend your £10k at one dealer for a certain car, then happy days! If not, don't blame the dealer/salesman for the fact you're not happy.
Granted, there is always room for negotiation and sometimes the salesman will start high but that's business and sales unfortunately. If you don't like the way sales works, go and buy privately.
<rant over> lol
#30
Propper way to do it would be engine out, and new chain etc.
Quick way, split chain, link new chain, turn engine to feed chain in/out
remove old chain join new chain....
Job done 2 hrs labour & cost of chain
Mart
Quick way, split chain, link new chain, turn engine to feed chain in/out
remove old chain join new chain....
Job done 2 hrs labour & cost of chain
Mart