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Old 22 March 2012, 04:08 PM
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Default To get a 1/2" diameter thread you have to order 1/4" BSP

As title. Dull but true. News to me, but I'm sure not to anyone that actually had a clue about fittings which may as well be voodoo to me. Very irritating to end up with the wrong stuff.

What sort of ****t*@t came up with the BSP system?

I thought with my micrometer in hand I could conquer the world
Old 22 March 2012, 04:20 PM
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Strange I know. As a mechanical apprentice I'm inundated with these fitnents and trying to remember them! BSP, BSW, BSF, BSC, ABC, XYZ... Do my bloody head in
Old 22 March 2012, 04:32 PM
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British standard pipe is measured at the bore. The other threads are for bolts.
Old 22 March 2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne9t9
British standard pipe is measured at the bore. The other threads are for bolts.
As above. Dead easy to remember, why else would it be called a "pipe" thread?
Old 22 March 2012, 06:41 PM
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The BSP system is simplicity itself to understand, your problem I suspect lies elsewhere

In a nutshell: A BSP thread suits the outside diameter of a given nominal bore pipe size. This is because, back in the day, an outside diameter much was easier to keep consistent during manufacture than a bore.

Also, when working on a site installation, it's much easier to cut a male thread on lengths of pipe, then join them with pre-made cast and machined female unions
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
Strange I know. As a mechanical apprentice I'm inundated with these fitnents and trying to remember them! BSP, BSW, BSF, BSC, ABC, XYZ... Do my bloody head in
Where the hell are you working that you still use Whitworth and BSF thread sizes
Old 22 March 2012, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Where the hell are you working that you still use Whitworth and BSF thread sizes

Scunthorpe steelworks as an apprebtice

Good job I'm fluent in metric AND imperial

Was working on a job on Monday off a master drawing dated 5.3.37
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Didn't know Scunny still had a steelworks, or that they were still in the 19th century

I only have to know metric, and occasionally American, threads these days. Makes life far simpler
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Didn't know Scunny still had a steelworks, or that they were still in the 19th century

I only have to know metric, and occasionally American, threads these days. Makes life far simpler
Yep, still going. Approx 3,500-4,000 of us currently out of an 80,000ish population

1937 is the twentieth century

As said, we work off lots of old machinery but modified, hebse old master drawings. I'm sure you know the drill
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk

and occasionally American, threads these days.
You mean imperial then?

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American threads different again. UNC and UNF spring to mind. What ****e i was taught as an apprentice!!
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Originally Posted by scooby red
American threads different again. UNC and UNF spring to mind. What ****e i was taught as an apprentice!!
Old 22 March 2012, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
As title. Dull but true. News to me, but I'm sure not to anyone that actually had a clue about fittings which may as well be voodoo to me. Very irritating to end up with the wrong stuff.

What sort of ****t*@t came up with the BSP system?

I thought with my micrometer in hand I could conquer the world
I've been playing with building a router and saw table the past couple of weeks. Some threads appear to be BSW?!? Try figuring out what size spanner to use on a BSW nut or bolt or setscrew.... As apparently the head sizes were reduced in WW2 to save metal and they've never reversed that decision!

I've decided to stick to M6 and M8 if possible appart from any yank stuff that's pretty much self contained anyway.

J.
Old 22 March 2012, 11:05 PM
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alot of hydraulic pipes are still made up in imperial.i uses most days 5/8,3/4 and 1"
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In the gas industry all the new type PE pipes are metric but the old cast and ductile iron pipes are imperial and with any steel pipes are with the ID up to 12" and the OD above 12".
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We should have kicked all this metric rubbish into touch! It was easy to understand before then.

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I still think in imperial measures anyway Les whether it's metric or not.

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My school year was the last of phasing out imperial and phasing in metric so I learnt both. Some of the younger apprentices only learnt metric at school so 16/32/64 or thou is very strange to them, coming from a 20s/30s mill
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No-one's mentioned NPTF yet
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Its all feet and centimetres to me.
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